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re: My Non-travel ball playing nephew just made the HS baseball team
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:34 am to PortCityTiger24
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:34 am to PortCityTiger24
quote:True statement. My brother's team was actually a local playground team that just happened to be really good and they played in travel ball tournaments and were one of the best teams in the state.
LOL, not even remotely close. I hate travel ball, but there is a night and day difference in the competition. There just is.
They would play in local playground tournaments sometimes and other parents would be mad that they were too good and didn't believe they were a local playground team.
But they are the rare exception. Playground team are generally not nearly as good as travel ball teams, which is why other parents didn't believe they were all local kids.
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:34 am to hendersonshands
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You can disagree with me all you want, I don't have a kid playing travel or rec ball, doesn't matter to me. However, when a guy who's been coaching for 30 years absolutely hates travel ball, I think there's probably something to that.
There is, but I don't think you're latching on to the proper points. Travel ball is a problem in its current state but it has nothing to do with guaranteed games.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:35 am to slackster
My nephew, if he goes to college, will probably get 40%-50% for baseball because his a academics will cover the rest. In baseball it's pretty much the smarter you are the less scholarship money you get from the athletic side. But they will make up as much of the difference as possible if they have the grades/scores. That is what I meant by "full ride", which you are correct, is not exactly accurate. If a kid gets 90% of a baseball scolly he is likely dumb as a box of rocks.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 11:36 am
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:36 am to PortCityTiger24
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Not really the case with baseball.
Disagree. They're wearing kids out and playing way too many games, damaging arms, all the while not really giving the type of instruction parents think they're paying for.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 11:36 am
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:37 am to hendersonshands
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If you're going to a tournament and you're guaranteed playing 6 games, the kids are less likely to be pissed off if they lose their first two. His larger point was that if they're being guaranteed all these games, you get fewer kids who will chew off their own arms to win and more college coaches bitching about how their players are all entitled wimps and they have no leaders.
The only guaranteed 6 game spots Im aware of are destination tournaments that are just as much about the location. Most tourneys have pool play and single elimination tournament the next day.
There is a lot wrong with travel ball and Ive seen my fair share of it. Parents being the number one issue. From Walk up music and banners to cheering an error of an 11 year old, parents are wasting time and money that many dont have. Its quite sad to watch some of the trash make their way to the ballpark to heckle and relish in another teams demise.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:38 am to tduecen
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Had a co-worker post on FB her son threw 10 innings last weekend for his travel ball team. Now anyone who has watched little league knows these kids do not have efficient innings.
So even if he managed 20 pitches an inning he threw 200 pitchers over a 2-day tournament.
There is a reason that rec league has a 6-inning per week limit on pitching for 9 and under kids. 16U only get 10 per week.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:38 am to hendersonshands
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Disagree. They're wearing kids out and playing way too many games, damaging arms, all the while not really giving the type of instruction parents think they're paying for.
I agree with the amount of games played for sure. I'm saying there's only so much you can do at baseball practice during a season. I wouldn't say they need more practice either. These kids are most likely paying for hitting / pitching coaches during the week. No need to pile on that.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:38 am to Newt Dobbs
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If a kid gets 90% of a baseball scolly he is likely dumb as a box of rocks.
He was.
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My nephew, if he goes to college, will probably get 40%-50% for baseball because his a academics will cover the rest. In baseball it's pretty much the smarter you are the less scholarship money you get from the athletic side. But they will make up as much of the difference as possible if they have the grades/scores.
I understand, but when you said full-ride to the D-1 program of his choosing for baseball, I assumed you were implying 100% from the baseball side which literally never happens.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:38 am to slackster
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Travel ball is a problem in its current state but it has nothing to do with guaranteed games.
Guaranteed games was the thing he talked about for the longest amount of time in his speech. He's big on mentality, I'm not saying that I agree (I'm not around these kids, I have no idea), but he thinks there's a huge difference in the mentality of the kids from 30 years ago to today and he blames it on guaranteed games.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:39 am to hendersonshands
quote:One thing you have to know about old coaches is that they are stuck in their ways and hate change. They are the epitome of "it was better in my day".
However, when a guy who's been coaching for 30 years absolutely hates travel ball, I think there's probably something to that.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:40 am to PortCityTiger24
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These kids are most likely paying for hitting / pitching coaches during the week.
I find this ridiculous too
If you're going to pay to be on a travel ball team and you still have to get a personal hitting or pitching coach, there's something askew. Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:42 am to hendersonshands
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but he thinks there's a huge difference in the mentality of the kids from 30 years ago to today and he blames it on guaranteed games.
I like Tony, but he's wrong.
He can argue that kids are oversaturated with baseball because they're parents never let them have a break, but to suggest that guaranteed games leads to a sense of entitlement and a lack of competitive drive is pretty out there.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:43 am to tduecen
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Actually it is very close, look at the travel ball teams. They have different levels now and for many of those levels the kids would be better off playing at their local parks. We are not talking the elite teams like what Ryan Theriot and Ben Sheets coach.
It's not even remotely close. I don't know how much youth baseball you watch...I have been coaching my kids for the last 6 years. They play rec and a few tournaments a year before all-stars but don't travel. There is a huge difference in the quality of teams in the tournaments and in their league, and the league they are in is easily the most competitive in the region. I'm just being honest here.
Now would it be better if the weaker travel teams stuck with league? Sure..they are getting their asses handed to them playing the better teams, but teams in rec leagues have entire rosters that struggle to put the ball in play. There is a night and day difference in the competition level.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:44 am to hendersonshands
quote:Many high school players go to hitting and pitching coaches. How is getting personal instruction a sign that something is askew?
If you're going to pay to be on a travel ball team and you still have to get a personal hitting or pitching coach, there's something askew.
Many of those training facilities have better instruction than you can get in college, and certainly better than you get in high school.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:44 am to hendersonshands
I agree. I mean with youtube and other resources, you have to be a lazy arse parent not to work with your kid rather than fork over 600 a month in private lessons.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:46 am to hendersonshands
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If you're going to pay to be on a travel ball team and you still have to get a personal hitting or pitching coach, there's something askew.
I definitely agree with this.
It's also really funny how terrible the return on investment is with this. They'd be better off paying for tutors if the idea is to get a scholarship. If they're talented enough, they'll be found.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 11:47 am
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:47 am to PrimeTime Money
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Many high school players go to hitting and pitching coaches. How is getting personal instruction a sign that something is askew?
Many of those training facilities have better instruction than you can get in college, and certainly better than you get in high school.
Man, I think you're way too invested in this to see anything other than what your family has done.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:48 am to hendersonshands
quote:So you're against going to a baseball academy for hitting lessons?
Man, I think you're way too invested in this to see anything other than what your family has done.
I'm trying to figure out what you see as acceptable and what you see as bad.
Also, I'm not saying many parents don't take it too far. But those are specific parents, coaches, and teams. It's not travel ball as a whole.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 11:50 am
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:49 am to hendersonshands
Yeah, I could understand his logic if every tournament was just Saturday games. But every weekend they are playing a Sunday win or go home day. I don't see how u get that at rec. I have found the most competitive kids played some sort of tournament sport....win or go home. Yes he has been coaching a long time so maybe overall the kids are just wimpier and more coddled these days.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:56 am to hendersonshands
Ding ding ding. In travel ball, if you lose, no big deal you can play next week in a new tournament. Travel ball teams aren't really playing with a long term, end of season goal in mind (like Dixie Youth, Little League and Babe Ruth teams that play in "win and advance, or lose and your season is over" tournaments).
Travel ball generally isn't cultivating the types of players that high school coaches and college coaches really desire. Baseball players are made in practice, not in playing 50 games over the summer.
Travel ball generally isn't cultivating the types of players that high school coaches and college coaches really desire. Baseball players are made in practice, not in playing 50 games over the summer.
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