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re: Baylor has fired Art Briles

Posted on 5/26/16 at 3:50 pm to
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 3:50 pm to
Literally the last thing that needs to happen to them
Posted by BearsFan
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 3:56 pm to
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Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

Commended?

Even I'm having second thoughts about my "good on them" post


Hey Tbird!

Yeah I knew I'd take flack for that post. But again, they fired the head coach that made them a winner when no one else since Grant Teaff could.

There is no sure path forward for them, and they had to know that when they decided to fire him. That took balls.

I don't condone anything that went down before hand. Scroll up and read my posts prior to that.

Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 3:58 pm to
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But again, they fired the head coach that made them a winner
how awesome of them
Posted by BearsFan
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:00 pm to
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Posted by SpartyGator
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:04 pm to
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McCaigBro69


He taught you to be a complete piece of shite just like he was, so there is that.
Posted by LanierSpots
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:05 pm to
Thank you very much
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:05 pm to
The first part of that just seems stupid. Why is it Baylors responsibility? college athletes do illegal things all the time outside of school, what does that have to do with the school?
This is a legal matter that should be between the victim, accused and the police. Should have nothing to do with Baylor.

Now the second part of that I can understand, but again, why is the university having to do anything?
WHy isn't the police handling this, with the school having nothing at all to do with it?
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:05 pm to
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Briles is one of the bigger jerkoffs in any sport as a coach. Ive seen games where he's up 50 and still running a hurry up offense on teams and firing it downfield when its clearly over. His poor sportsmanship wont be missed, if someone says well they should stop them, just remember when les miles kneeled it inside the 5 at ole miss I think it was??? Thats what a coach of college kids is there to do, to show them how to play the game the right way which carries on into other aspects of life after football. Art Briles being a goon and running up the score on inferior opponents tells you what kinda guy he is so im not really shocked that all these atrocities happened on his watch and he looked away in an attempt to focus on what mattered most....to him....football






Only thing I'm gonna miss is betting Baylor to cover the Over on points week in and week out.
Posted by SpartyGator
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:06 pm to
Appreciate the rundown on it. Thanks
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:07 pm to
quote:

Hey Tbird!


Wassup, TOG?

quote:

they fired the head coach that made them a winner when no one else since Grant Teaff could.

There is no sure path forward for them, and they had to know that when they decided to fire him. That took balls.


At first brush, I agree with ya. But the more I think about it, the more it really just looks like they only did it to save face and would have kept him if they'd just managed to keep the media/investigative wolves at bay awhile longer. They're just a seedy, seedy program in a seedy Texas town.

quote:

I don't condone anything that went down before hand. Scroll up and read my posts prior to that.


Oh I wasn't tryna attack you specifically. Was more second guessing my own post through my response to WCA.

My sister will be a junior at Baylor in the fall, so I'm incredibly emotionally biased over this whole thing. I don't like fretting over her well-being and wanted heads to roll in their AD yesterday. That's all
Posted by Aggie Fishfinder
Republic of Texas
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:10 pm to
Don't you think the University has a responsibility to make sure that their students are safe on campus? For instance, Ukwachwu had rape changes brought against him and they let him keep his scholarship and remain on campus. This tormented the woman he raped, and when she complained, Baylor reduced her athletic scholarship and she was forced to transfer.

Just because something is a criminal matter doesn't also mean that the university shouldn't take precautions to make sure others are safe.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:13 pm to


Having said what I said, I stand by it. But apart from that, I completely understand why any Aggie fan has a knee-jerk reaction to the name "Baylor".

And I don't blame you guys one bit for that.

I don't know all the facts, and since my school isn't directly concerned I won't make the effort to look them up. But doesn't this house-cleaning by Baylor remove a lot of the principals involved with the Baylor law suit?

Posted by Hawgeye
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:16 pm to
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i doubt seriously that Baylor/Briles have the reach to affect that local PD/DA


Briles got his masters from Abilene Christian. Coached for years in that area(Sweetwater, Hamlin, Stephenville)

So doubt your doubt. Connect the dots.
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 4:20 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:17 pm to
quote:

Don't you think the University has a responsibility to make sure that their students are safe on campus?


That's why there's campus police. No, i don't think it's the universities responsibility to try to control how kids act on their own.

quote:

For instance, Ukwachwu had rape changes brought against him and they let him keep his scholarship and remain on campus. This tormented the woman he raped, and when she complained, Baylor reduced her athletic scholarship and she was forced to transfer.

Did he get arrested? Was he even charged?
You can't just start ripping scholarships away from everyone that's accused of something. We have a legal system for a reason.

Why is the woman complaining to Baylor? where's the police?

quote:

Just because something is a criminal matter doesn't also mean that the university shouldn't take precautions to make sure others are safe.


So what are they supposed to do? anytime any kid on campus is accused of a crime, kick him out? We have a legal system, for some reason it seems like we want a university to be the legal system for actual crimes being committed instead of having the police investigate and legal system hand down the punishments. If they don't think it was a crime, why should the university?
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:20 pm to
Depends on who all is being removed. I'll have to look it up in detail later if I get time.
Posted by BearsFan
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:23 pm to
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Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Member since May 2013
32171 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:34 pm to
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for the record, i live in proximity to Waco and a lot of people that know them actually speak very well of them in private.


I'm fine with them and we watch the show. It's just that the kids coming in every show when they're hurrying to finish decorating a house being all "mommy, we love you! We brought you some cupcakes!" And her being all "seeing my family just gives me the energy I need to get through the night and preparing this house" gets a little old and repetitive. And she does every house EXACTLY the same. The next house she does that doesn't include ship lap and/or white cabinets in the kitchen will be her first.

(I told ya I watch the show)
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
32171 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:36 pm to
quote:

Need to do a full house cleaning.


As you wish.

Posted by BamaChick
Terminus
Member since Dec 2008
21393 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:41 pm to
Briles paid for thinking he was untouchable


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The words leaped from the page like an 80-yard touchdown bomb.

“Horrified.”

“Shocked.”

“Outraged.”

“Deliberately indifferent.”

Art Briles is out as Baylor head football coach. His self-serving silences, as it turned out, were trumped by the indifference he showed to his players’ victims.

He thought he could make his own rules, same as he always had. At a Baylor salary of $3.135 million per year, Briles thought he didn’t have to answer to anyone — not a sheriff, not a university president, not a crying coed.

But in the end, Briles’ complicity was so damning, it couldn’t even escape the disgust of the lawyers that Baylor itself had hired.

“We were horrified by the extent of these acts of sexual violence on our campus,” Richard Willis, chairman of the Baylor Board of Regents, said after reading the report from the Pepper Hamilton law firm.

“The depth to which these acts occurred shocked and outraged us.”

Among the new evidence revealed in the Pepper Hamilton report was a reported sexual assault that involved “multiple football players.”

“The football program and athletics department leadership failed to take appropriate action in response to these reports,” the review read.

In some cases, the report said, “football staff” conducted their own “internal inquiries” and discredited the complainants without properly reporting the charges as required by federal law.

What Briles was doing — or not doing, in some cases — was breaking the law, in other words, and ignoring the university’s responsibilities under Title IX and the Clery Act.

Briles and Baylor were headed to court and may still be.

He had to be fired. But yet, the news Thursday morning buckled the knees of not only the victims and their families, but also anyone who follows college football.

IN THE END, BAYLOR REGENTS MUST HAVE RIGHTLY FELT THAT THE SOUL OF THE UNIVERSITY ITSELF WAS BEING COMPROMISED.

“I have to say I am very surprised. I didn’t expect them to take action against Art Briles,” Jasmin Hernandez, who was raped by former Baylor linebacker Tevin Elliot and has filed a lawsuit against the university and Briles, told ESPN on Thursday.

Even in its abbreviated form that was released Thursday, however, the Pepper Hamilton report implicated Briles. He was the one, after all, who brought the future sexual assault perpetrators onto the Waco campus, in some cases even allowing them to remain on the team — and rape again — after complaints were lodged against them.

Briles, however, likely figured he was untouchable. The winning and the publicity it brought to Baylor made it so.

After all, he had always made his own rules.

In the end, Baylor regents must have rightly felt that the soul of the university itself was being compromised.

Art Briles wasn’t worth that.

Don’t feel sorry for him. Think of the Baylor victims, for whom Thursday’s stunning news will have to pass for justice.


I really hope they release the full report. Uncovered a "gang rape involving multiple football players"??

Allowed players accused of rape to remain on the team and those players committed further sexual assaults?

Man, frick those guys.

And the whole "Good for Baylor" sentiment? frick that - you don't get a cookie for doing the decent thing. The Baylor BOR didn't FINALLY clean house out of Christian goodness and decency - they had to be dragged into the light, kicking and screaming the whole way because they had a metaphorical gun to their heads.

Being forced to clean up your shite =/= "doing the right thing".
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