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re: Roy King is suing LSU
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:38 am to TigerCard
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:38 am to TigerCard
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There was a time when LSU was considered the next name on the list, but has been severely hurt in recent decades by declining scholarship money available (meaning they miss out on a lot of good students that instead end up at other schools) and, more recently, poor leadership.
Is that why the Golden Girls and baton twirlers were not supposed to be getting the scholarships designated for the band musicians (limited funds)?
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 9:39 am
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Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:06 am to RUKidding
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Is that why the Golden Girls and baton twirlers were not supposed to be getting the scholarships designated for the band musicians (limited funds)?
Well, indirectly. The SOM is definitely hurting for money, and they have long looked enviously at the money available to Tiger Band. The scholarships for Tiger Band are funded through the athletic dept., and are designated for Tiger Band members. (Color guard and Golden Girls are members of the band.)
Although the vast bulk of Tiger Band's scholarship money goes to musicians, sections leaders of the auxiliary units have ALWAYS gotten some scholarship money as well, since they spend an extraordinary amount of extra time choreographing routines, running extra rehearsals for their units, etc. The current leadership of the SOM is suddenly claiming that this is an egregious violation of long-standing policy, when in fact, Tiger Band scholarships have been distributed according to the current system for decades. It's just a trumped up excuse to get rid of Roy and take control of the entire Tiger Band budget. (Look at item 1 on the administration's list of recommendations for confirmation of this.)
I guarantee you that if the SOM gets control of the Tiger Band budget, a lot of the money currently spent on Tiger Band will find its way into other accounts in the SOM. That's why Roy has to go....he would scream bloody murder if that were to happen, and there are a lot of people in high places that would listen to him. If he's not there and they get control of the money, no one will be able to call them on the way they spend it. Pretty slick operation...
By the way, this is EXACTLY what happened when Tod Queen was the dean at Colorado State. He fired the marching band director and took over the band's budget.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:17 am to TigerCard
Are you kidding? A King at LSU and a Queen at Colorado involved in a music controversy ? Just sounds funny.
Maybe it is time to give music scholarships to musicians and not dancers. Money is tight these days. The Governor just signed a Law yesterday limiting TOPS money for future students and raised the bar for getting the money. It is what it is.
Maybe it is time to give music scholarships to musicians and not dancers. Money is tight these days. The Governor just signed a Law yesterday limiting TOPS money for future students and raised the bar for getting the money. It is what it is.
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 10:22 am
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:37 am to RUKidding
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Maybe it is time to give music scholarships to musicians and not dancers.
The Golden Girls and Color Guard make a huge contribution to TGBFTL and to the public image of LSU. They put on more work than anybody in the band and they have some very difficult standards to meet which includes their appearance. They certainly deserve to receive their stipend for their contributions.
This will make the beginning of the end go the great traditions is TGBFTL. They will dramatically drop in quality. LSU's answer will be more piped in music and less tradition. It's a shame to see this happen.
I would love to see the members of the band make a protest at the first home football game. Possibly a band strike which would gain national attention from the media. LSU would be placed into a very bad place in terms if image given how they treated Les MIles.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:41 am to RUKidding
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Maybe it is time to give music scholarships to musicians and not dancers. Money is tight these days. The Governor just signed a Law yesterday limiting TOPS money for future students and raised the bar for getting the money. It is what it is.
Well, again, we're talking about a relatively small amount (approximately $3,000 per year out of a scholarship budget of $70,000). And, more importantly, this is not the real issue. It's just a trumped up excuse. Eventually, scholarship money intended for Tiger Band students will be given to instrumentalists who will not play in Tiger Band. (As outlined in Roy's suit, there have already been suggestions by Damon Talley that he wants to do this.)
I understand the SOM's dilemma. I work in the field, I know how tight money is, and I know how important it is to be able to offer outstanding musicians scholarship aid that is comparable to what they might receive elsewhere. But if any of us needs money, there's a right way and a wrong way to go about getting it. This is the wrong way.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:42 am to therick711
I never got caught up on this, why did LSU terminate him in the first place?
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:47 am to TigerCard
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Well, again, we're talking about a relatively small amount (approximately $3,000 per year out of a scholarship budget of $70,000). And, more importantly, this is not the real issue. It's just a trumped up excuse. Eventually, scholarship money intended for Tiger Band students will be given to instrumentalists who will not play in Tiger Band. (As outlined in Roy's suit, there have already been suggestions by Damon Talley that he wants to do this.)
I understand the SOM's dilemma. I work in the field, I know how tight money is, and I know how important it is to be able to offer outstanding musicians scholarship aid that is comparable to what they might receive elsewhere. But if any of us needs money, there's a right way and a wrong way to go about getting it. This is the wrong way.
Yes. This is all true. Also, I've known members of auxiliary units who've been music majors and/or played in other ensemble units. The initial findings by the university imply that color guard and golden girl members do not play instruments. While that is the case in Tiger Band, itself. That isn't always the full truth.
As a former TB member, these CG and GG members work as hard, and sometimes harder/longer than the instrumentalists do. They deserve their tiger band stipend. And if they happen to be a music major and fulfill those requirements, then being a CG or GG member shouldn't disqualify them from that particular scholarship simply because they "aren't an instrumentalist" in regards to their TB membership.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:53 am to LSUwag
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LSU would be placed into a very bad place in terms if image given how they treated Les MIles.
Did you not keep up with the Basketball program this year? It ain't just football that has us in a bad light Nationally.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 11:17 am to TigerCard
quote:this is the most telling thing about the whole situation for me. This fricker did this over there now the exact same stuff is happening here. It tells you all you need to know about the SOMs intentions.
By the way, this is EXACTLY what happened when Tod Queen was the dean at Colorado State. He fired the marching band director and took over the band's budget.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 11:34 am to Pelican fan99
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this is the most telling thing about the whole situation for me. This fricker did this over there now the exact same stuff is happening here. It tells you all you need to know about the SOMs intentions.
He was supposedly hired for this very reason.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 12:57 pm to Red Stick Tigress
you guys didn't read my post, I said that I know people in the SOM, but even the average professor won't know everything going on. I personally don't remember the stories (I wasn't told much anyway) and they really don't matter now because everything is public, but there was talk about this in the fall and they were waiting for the athletic bands to finish out. Imagine what would happen if they fired Roy in the middle of football season, sure they could put an interim in charge, but I would put money on the fact that they would boycott playing the next home game. Could you imagine the public outrage if a firing caused there to be no tiger band at a football game?
But all I was passing on was that they knew about this stuff is the fall, I don't know specific details, because 1) It doesn't directly affect me, 2) it was none of my business to know the specifics.
But all I was passing on was that they knew about this stuff is the fall, I don't know specific details, because 1) It doesn't directly affect me, 2) it was none of my business to know the specifics.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 1:00 pm to Pelican fan99
whether this is a money grab or not, it doesn't disprove the allegations made against Roy King, if he directly disobeyed his superiors than he should be fired.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 1:04 pm to TigerCard
let me say one last thing, I'm like 1 against 100 in agreeing with the Roy Firing.
The SOM has really been struggling with money, I know this personally and it's probably not that hard to figure out just by doing some slight digging. If tiger band can help keep the SOM afloat I say good. Keep in mind no SOM no tigerband, sure they are separate budgets, but without the SOM there is no way you have a tigerband. So more money to the SOM is a good thing.
but again I believe the reports found in the audit are true and are something that tells me he needed to be fired.
The SOM has really been struggling with money, I know this personally and it's probably not that hard to figure out just by doing some slight digging. If tiger band can help keep the SOM afloat I say good. Keep in mind no SOM no tigerband, sure they are separate budgets, but without the SOM there is no way you have a tigerband. So more money to the SOM is a good thing.
but again I believe the reports found in the audit are true and are something that tells me he needed to be fired.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 1:12 pm to catholictigerfan
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Keep in mind no SOM no tigerband, sure they are separate budgets, but without the SOM there is no way you have a tigerband.
That's just blatantly false. The AD could house Tigerband as an auxiliary function. Joe doesn't have the balls to do it, but he could.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 1:13 pm to LSURoadEngr
quote:You totally missed my point
Is that why all major colleges are cutting their marching band programs?
Keep the marching band. Dissolve the School of Music. Have members of TGBFTL enroll in other degree programs.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 1:14 pm to Rouge
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Really? Never? Please feel free to elaborate?
School of Music is a solid example of a luxury degree than can be acquired at a smaller liberal arts school
you have no idea what you are talking. LSU is a solid school of music and is one of the best in the country. You will not find near the level of talent in other smaller liberal arts schools. The simple fact that LSU hires Eastman graduates is a sign that they are a top tier school. (There may be more but I know of at-least 3 professors who have a doctorate from Eastman School of music, which is maybe the top music school in the country.)
I don't know where LSU ranks in terms of music schools but it is up there.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 1:15 pm to Smalls
where do you get musicians to play in tiger band if there is no school of music? Sure you could have tiger band but it's quality would drop drastically.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 1:16 pm to Rouge
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You totally missed my point
Keep the marching band. Dissolve the School of Music. Have members of TGBFTL enroll in other degree programs.
many students in tiger band would want to transfer to a different college because they can't get their music degree. You are making it simpler than it sounds.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 1:20 pm to TigerCard
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I guarantee you that if the SOM gets control of the Tiger Band budget, a lot of the money currently spent on Tiger Band will find its way into other accounts in the SOM
I hope the athletic department cuts off the funding. Why would the AD fund scholarships for students who aren't in Tiger band? That's ridiculous.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 1:27 pm to catholictigerfan
quote:the vast majority of tigerband members aren't music majors. They'd be fine and would recover from that.
where do you get musicians to play in tiger band if there is no school of music?
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