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Posted on 4/30/16 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 4/30/16 at 7:02 pm
What do you think is the saints aversion to trading down in the draft?
Not only do a lot of us want the saints to trade down year after year to acquire more picks, but we have to endure us trading away draft picks every year to move up.
Is this a Payton thing or a Loomis thing? Anybody here defend the moving up?
Not only do a lot of us want the saints to trade down year after year to acquire more picks, but we have to endure us trading away draft picks every year to move up.
Is this a Payton thing or a Loomis thing? Anybody here defend the moving up?
Posted on 4/30/16 at 7:04 pm to SouthMSReb
Question for the inside men.
Off topic but what's your take on Trae Elston?
Off topic but what's your take on Trae Elston?
Posted on 4/30/16 at 7:04 pm to SouthMSReb
Both times we moved up I don't feel like we gave up all that much and snagged good value both times.
Now the year we traded up for Ingram? Eh
Now the year we traded up for Ingram? Eh
Posted on 4/30/16 at 7:04 pm to SouthMSReb
Gotta have somene to trade with
Posted on 4/30/16 at 7:05 pm to SouthMSReb
I don't think it's ever worth it to trade up past the first round. No player past the first round is worth 2 players within 32 picks of one another.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 7:05 pm to LSUholddatTiga
He's a good college player. Not a starting safety. Big hitter and plays with a lot of heart. Not the best athlete though.
I loved him as a reb but don't think he can cut it in the pros.
I loved him as a reb but don't think he can cut it in the pros.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 7:06 pm to SouthMSReb
Look at the UDFA haul they got
Posted on 4/30/16 at 7:06 pm to SouthMSReb
To be clear, both Payton and Loomis said they waited all the way through their 1st round selection and had NO calls for trade downs. They could be lying, but I don't see any reason why they would.
I do not necessarily have anything against the way they draft, it is more just about who they draft. I have nothing but faith in the current regime (the Ireland era, I mean) considering how well the 2015 and now the 2016 drafts have seemingly gone. I am absolutely behind the strategy of "go up and get your guys" - as long as you're sure they're your guys and you're super confident in them. In the pre-Ireland era they did this unsuccessfully pretty often. If we truly have reached a stage where we can really identify good guys for our scheme, which is how it appears, then this is fine.
I do not necessarily have anything against the way they draft, it is more just about who they draft. I have nothing but faith in the current regime (the Ireland era, I mean) considering how well the 2015 and now the 2016 drafts have seemingly gone. I am absolutely behind the strategy of "go up and get your guys" - as long as you're sure they're your guys and you're super confident in them. In the pre-Ireland era they did this unsuccessfully pretty often. If we truly have reached a stage where we can really identify good guys for our scheme, which is how it appears, then this is fine.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 8:29 pm to goatmilker
I am a huge huge fan of trading down. The draft is a craps shoot. Aquire more picks to have more chances.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 8:33 pm to SouthMSReb
Trading is actually a pretty dumb idea that no one actually uses because team executives are a lot smarter than fans who go "MORE PICKS = MORE WINS"
Posted on 4/30/16 at 8:38 pm to SouthMSReb
Eston played at Ole Miss for 4 years, so money shouldn't be an issue
Posted on 4/30/16 at 8:40 pm to SouthMSReb
It's a New Orleans thing Pelicans and saints trade away draft picks yearly
Posted on 4/30/16 at 8:42 pm to SouthMSReb
In the draft it's always better to get quality players over a quantity of players.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 8:52 pm to SouthMSReb
It's a matter of strategy and philosophy.
The strengths:
You acquire more picks to have more darts.
Or
You trade up to acquire particular players.
Where these strategy are weak:
Trading back means you are getting less valuable picks as the talent pool decreases the further back you go. It's also harder to target certain players as when you trade back you don't know who will be taken between where you were and where you went.
Trading up means getting fewer darts. Even the best scouts aren't always right and there are so many factors that can make even surefire picks go wrong.
Neither is inherently right or wrong and the best strategy usually lies somewhere between. Being flexible is always best. Sometimes you go get your man and sometimes you see nothing of equal value where you are picking.
It's just that with the Saints they always seem to see their man and want to go get him. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
The strengths:
You acquire more picks to have more darts.
Or
You trade up to acquire particular players.
Where these strategy are weak:
Trading back means you are getting less valuable picks as the talent pool decreases the further back you go. It's also harder to target certain players as when you trade back you don't know who will be taken between where you were and where you went.
Trading up means getting fewer darts. Even the best scouts aren't always right and there are so many factors that can make even surefire picks go wrong.
Neither is inherently right or wrong and the best strategy usually lies somewhere between. Being flexible is always best. Sometimes you go get your man and sometimes you see nothing of equal value where you are picking.
It's just that with the Saints they always seem to see their man and want to go get him. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
This post was edited on 4/30/16 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 4/30/16 at 9:10 pm to bonethug0108
For kicks:
1: Sheldon Rankins
2: Michael Thomas
3: Vonn Bell
4: Landon Turner
5: Dave Onyemata
6: Avery Young
7a:Jack Allen
7b: Daniel Lasco
There's no difference between this and how it played out
1: Sheldon Rankins
2: Michael Thomas
3: Vonn Bell
4: Landon Turner
5: Dave Onyemata
6: Avery Young
7a:Jack Allen
7b: Daniel Lasco
There's no difference between this and how it played out
Posted on 4/30/16 at 9:28 pm to LosLobos111
There is a reason the Patriots are always on top due to their plenthora of draft picks.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 9:29 pm to tenderfoot tigah
Of which they miss on a bunch of them. Good thing they take the dart approach.
Edit:
If one team made 10 picks and gets 2 good players and 2 decent players and another team has 6 picks and gets 3 good players what team did better? Assuming here all good and decent players will be starters, and all other picks are off the team in 3 years without ever really seeing the field minus special teams.
Edit:
If one team made 10 picks and gets 2 good players and 2 decent players and another team has 6 picks and gets 3 good players what team did better? Assuming here all good and decent players will be starters, and all other picks are off the team in 3 years without ever really seeing the field minus special teams.
This post was edited on 4/30/16 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 4/30/16 at 9:30 pm to bonethug0108
Having arguably the greatest coach QB combo helps
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