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Video proves cops shot hostage without warning, lied about circumstances
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:33 pm
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Neenah — Police officers gave hostage Michael L. Funk no warning to drop his handgun before they shot and killed him Dec. 5 outside Eagle Nation Cycles, according to video evidence obtained exclusively by USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin.
A prepared statement that was issued by Neenah Police Chief Kevin Wilkinson about 10 hours after the shooting said Funk was shot after he didn't obey police commands to drop his handgun.
In addition, the criminal complaint against accused hostage-taker Brian T. Flatoff stated Menasha police officer Raymond Berna heard officers yell, "Police, show me your hands" or "Police, drop the gun" before officers shot Funk.
The video, which was recorded by a dashboard camera of a Neenah police car, contradicts those statements.
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But it gets better. Apparently there was a bit of history between this guy and these cops...
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When police killed him, Funk was a party to a lawsuit against Neenah and its police department. According to that suit, a Swat team executed a search warrant on Eagle Nation on September 21, 2012 in hopes of finding “a complex drug manufacturing and distribution operation in conjunction with the Hells Lovers motorcycle gang and suggested activities and persons in the facility as if it were an episode of the television series, Sons of Anarchy.”
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Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:37 pm to Darth_Vader
Some of you guys live for this shite
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:42 pm to Darth_Vader
Wasn't issued a warning? How about the idea of not waving a gun around at innocent people?
I'd say reaching the age of adulthood should be sufficient time to know not to go pointing guns at others, and that should serve as sufficient warning.
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I'd say reaching the age of adulthood should be sufficient time to know not to go pointing guns at others, and that should serve as sufficient warning.
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:58 am to Darth_Vader
Cops take out biker trash, no tears cried.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 1:21 am to Darth_Vader
I know you started this to defend a biker against cops but you do know this never would have happened in the first place without biker gangs right? Just like Waco never would have happened. Sure the cops screwed up Waco, and might have screwed this up, but both situations were started because one biker was shooting at another biker and the police had to respond. Can you at least admit that much is true? Just a yes or no answer, would either of those situations have happened if bikers hadn't pointed guns at other bikers?
Posted on 4/29/16 at 5:23 am to Darth_Vader
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The video, which was recorded by a dashboard camera of a Neenah police car, contradicts those statements.
Not that facts will sway anyone on the OT but... The above sentence about the recording is stupid and wrong. For those that don't know, dashcam video doesn't get audio from a mic on the camera, it gets audio from a wireless lapel mic the officer wears. So the guy with the mic may have been on the opposite side of the building from where this shooting occurred. Hence the mic didn't pick up verbal commands yet picked up the much, much louder gunshots. There can also be a separate external mic inside the car, to pick up suspect statements in the back seat, that also might miss verbal commands that far off but still register the shots. Saying that the video contradicts the officers statement is bullshite journalism at its best.
As for the guy being a party to a lawsuit against the police, so the frick what? Are you implying they said "look there is a hostage - yeah I know he is waving a gun around in the heat of a critical incident but he is OBVIOUSLY a hostage - and I instantly recognize him, so even though we are on video lets go ahead and murder him right here even though we get sued daily and it doesn't cost us a dime." That definitely sounds like what happened. Or MAYBE, a dude ran out waving a gun and they blazed him down only to find out later he was a hostage running from the scene. As it turns out, the guy is suing the police (who isn't) and some journalist decided to try to imply something from that to get some clicks. BTW, the article never mentions if they found the supposed drug operation or not. Here is the deal, scumbag biker dopers who are breaking the law tend to come into contact with cops, get warrants served on their houses, sue the police and end up in situations where they get shot more than average folks. Shocker I know.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 5:33 am to Darth_Vader
Meh, it's just a biker. About like them shooting some career criminal thug. The world is likely better off for it.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 6:14 am to Darth_Vader
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Hells Lovers motorcycle gang
They were no angels
Posted on 4/29/16 at 6:37 am to Darth_Vader
Why did the hostage have a gun?
Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:34 am to Darth_Vader
The cops need to be prosecuted for filing false reports.
This was a hostage situation. A guy runs out of the building holding a gun and turns with gun in hand and starts running toward the cops across the alley.
Should they have shouted a warning? Perhaps, but if someone starts running toward me with gun in hand I'm gonna shoot first, shoot second and keep shooting till the guy is on the ground.
This was a hostage situation. A guy runs out of the building holding a gun and turns with gun in hand and starts running toward the cops across the alley.
Should they have shouted a warning? Perhaps, but if someone starts running toward me with gun in hand I'm gonna shoot first, shoot second and keep shooting till the guy is on the ground.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:47 am to Darth_Vader
Darth = LSUtangarine
Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:26 am to Darth_Vader
If he knew the cops were there, why did he come out waving a gun around? I'm not saying what they did was right, and they defiantly should not have tried to cover it up, but damn, he dives out the front door, pulls his gun out, and starts taking cover on the side of a truck. How were they supposed to know, he was a hostage? I understand he was in a stressful situation, and he probably just reacted, rather than thinking, but the same can be said about the police. The police covering it up, is a whole different situation, no doubt.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:34 am to Darth_Vader
How was he a "hostage" if he has a gun in his hand? And is there a zoomed in version? Everything takes place too far away, I can't make out anything.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:44 am to Darth_Vader
If you sue the cops you better keep your nose clean because they will come after you hard. Even if you don't break the law they might still find a way to frick you if they can.
This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 8:45 am
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:12 am to Darth_Vader
There's a war coming, brother. And it's time to pick a side. You're either checkin, or your arse is getting checked.
The gloves are coming off. I'm going to make sure they really feel it.
The gloves are coming off. I'm going to make sure they really feel it.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:54 am to Darth_Vader
You left a few things out
So witnesses, either officers or bystanders gave this information. Do we know which one?
Doesn't matter because
especially after
Wow, so this guy shoots at officers hitting one and is armed with a pistol.
So the hostage actually goes and hides by the bad guys truck, and pulls a handgun pointing it at the building? Could officers have thought this was the same guy that shot at them previously with a handgun and now he is escaping to his truck? Its certainly more reasonable than thinking the hostage is armed and escaping to the suspects vehicle.
So, hostage situation turns to an active shooter situation. Its not surprising that an armed, unidentified person would be shot. Imagine pulling your concealed weapon in the mall with good intentions when a crazed gunman is in there. Think the cops are gonna come in and shoot you if they see you running with a gun? or should they wait for you to engage them? The accounts of this guy failing to follow commands was part of a press release. I don't believe the vide proves, or disproves anything as far as verbal commands.
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initial information about Funk ignoring orders was from witness interviews,
So witnesses, either officers or bystanders gave this information. Do we know which one?
Doesn't matter because
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Wilkinson also told the AP that officers are not required to give warnings.
especially after
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officers tried to enter the building through a back door to rescue the hostages but were driven back by gunfire from Flatoff,
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Neenah police officer Craig Hoffer was shot in the helmet and knocked to the ground during the gunfight.
Wow, so this guy shoots at officers hitting one and is armed with a pistol.
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He pulled a handgun from the small of his back as he took cover by Flatoff's truck and pointed the gun at the door in the direction of Flatoff
So the hostage actually goes and hides by the bad guys truck, and pulls a handgun pointing it at the building? Could officers have thought this was the same guy that shot at them previously with a handgun and now he is escaping to his truck? Its certainly more reasonable than thinking the hostage is armed and escaping to the suspects vehicle.
So, hostage situation turns to an active shooter situation. Its not surprising that an armed, unidentified person would be shot. Imagine pulling your concealed weapon in the mall with good intentions when a crazed gunman is in there. Think the cops are gonna come in and shoot you if they see you running with a gun? or should they wait for you to engage them? The accounts of this guy failing to follow commands was part of a press release. I don't believe the vide proves, or disproves anything as far as verbal commands.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 10:02 am to Darth_Vader
Gun in hand, you gonna get shot dead....cops shouldn't have to say a word, you think the criminal is going to say "hey I'm gonna shoot you right now" before he shoots? No..they protected themselves and others..cops didn't do anything wrong
Posted on 4/29/16 at 10:28 am to Darth_Vader
Did the hostage come running out of the building with a gun in his hand? If he did then its no surprise that they shot him. They were trading fire with the shooter seconds before that, no way that guy is going to try to escape and not get killed. I would assume the police would've expected the hostage that came running out with a weapon in hand to be the shooter.
If he did not have a gun in his hand and just came running out the building then the cops should be in trouble. Definitely won't be charged with murder but they would deserve negligent homicide.
If he did not have a gun in his hand and just came running out the building then the cops should be in trouble. Definitely won't be charged with murder but they would deserve negligent homicide.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 10:33 am to Darth_Vader
I see a guy come running out of a building holding a gun where a firefight just occurred and a cop was shot. Very bad judgement on the part of the deceased.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 1:05 pm to Darth_Vader
Whether he pointed the gun isn't that relevant. The man had gun in hand and ran out of the building. This isn't exactly "hostage" behavior.
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