That's literally the only column that matters because that's the only column he's above average in. So Hield shoots better than Crawford, that's going to get him more points, not more shots, and I already conceded that saying he might average 2-3 more points than Crawford.

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I'm surprised as your posts normally contain substance and analysis.

I have done analysis, that's exactly why I'm questioning him. Jamal Crawford has a career average of 34.8% from 3 on 5 3s a game. That's 1.8 3s made or 5.4 points per game. Let's say Buddy averages 6 3s a game and shoots 40% from 3. That's 2.4 3s made per game or an additional 1.8 ppg. 15.5 + 1.8 = 17.3 Like I said I can see him being an 18 ppg scorer rather than Crawfords 15.5, but I think you might be overestimating just how many more points increased efficiency gets you.

The Ryan Andersons and Jamal Crawfords of the world have the skill to score more than 20 ppg, but they don't get enough leash to use that skill because they are one dimensional scorers. Kyle Korver only got 6 3 point shots per game last season when he was averaging 49% from 3. Just because you're good at it doesn't mean you get the shots. Hield will be no different if he can't bring more to the table than scoring.

At least Nola Bronco has tried to paint Hield's no good teammates as a reason for his low assist number. Granted it was only a one game sample size, but it's arguing in the right direction instead of doing what you and others are doing and just answering "you must not watch him" to "why will he be more than a scorer only in the NBA."

I'm not hating on Hield, but I haven't watched him as much as many of you so I'm trying to use your increased experience with Hield to understand why you think he will be so much more in the NBA. But if you think he'll have a different role in the NBA than Crawford and Anderson just because he's more efficient, I think you're wrong and all of your assumptions about Hield at the next level are based on a shaky foundation.

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Posted by ShamelessPel

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Posted on 3/27/16 at 1:21 pm to TigerinATL

I've never said he'd be more than a scorer.

And the flaw in your PPG argument that your kind of making for me inadvertently is increased efficiency = increased scoring without the cost of possessions.

I want an efficient shooter next to Holiday and Davis that can get his own shot and keep a defense honest by getting to the rim. I don't want a player you HAVE to run sets for to get him open looks like Redick or Korver.

If I thought he'd be a massive liability on defense, Id be more wary. But by most accounts, he's going to be average - above average on that end and has the body to at least be better than the Crawfords and Andersons of the world.

ETA: please show me posts where I or anyone else said he's going to be Curry or Harden. NBAdraft.net has him listed as a Harden comparison. You're putting words in people's mouths that aren't there to frame arguments.

ETA2: you're also using Curry's meteoric and once in a lifetime rise to use him as like LOLCurry, but Hield has traits of college Curry. Remember, multiple PGs went before Curry in that draft. They use him because he can handle the rock and unlike some of the other college long range bombers can actually get his own shot.

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Posted by NOLA Bronco

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Posted on 3/27/16 at 2:07 pm to TigerinATL

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That's literally the only column that matters because that's the only column he's above average in. So Hield shoots better than Crawford, that's going to get him more points, not more shots, and I already conceded that saying he might average 2-3 more points than Crawford.

This whole Crawford = Hield and in particular this line of logic is reductionist to the point of worthless.

You are beyond reaching with the Craford and Hield comparison. Comparisons tend to work better the more two players have in common, Crawford and Hield don't have a whole lot in common other then position. Crawford, from the moment scouts began analyzing him, has been pegged as a low efficiency, high volume shooter who loves long two's and less analytically optimal shots. And throughout his career has never shown the willingness to really expand his game the way Hield continues to do.

Frankly the problem with all of these attempts at comparison are the same that happened with Davis. Not that Hield is a transitional player but that you can't realy call him a clone or similar to any one player. People call him Redick but that kinda falls apart because Reddick was never as efficient a shooter or scorer and transition player and was and is more physically limited then Hield is.

But when you step back and just look at what Hield brings to the table as a prospect, for this team, he grades out pretty darn well.

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