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re: Spinoff: major plot holes in movies you've noticed
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:05 pm to Peazey
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:05 pm to Peazey
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The Eagles are a symbol of divine intervention. They stay out of the affairs of man and only interfere after he has passed his test. You can consider that weak, but a lot of Tolkien comes back to Christianity.
Yes, I find that weak. What test did Ghandalf pass?
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:08 pm to Dr RC
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The Eye of Sauron would have seen them coming from miles away if all the sudden a swarm of giant arse eagles were flying directly towards Mordor. A full frontal attack would have been f-ed in the b w/quickness.
The eagle got in to pick them up just fine. I'm not saying you can't explain it away, its a book you can do whatever you want. It is just a weak explanation.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:09 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Gandalf is kind of an angel sent to guide humanity. I forget what he is called in universe exactly. Regardless he is a divine being. It was Frodo and Sam and them who passed the test of temptation.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:12 pm to Broseph Barksdale
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The biggest plot hole from a movie I love that immediately comes to mind is Tom Hardy's "sometimes you have to dream bigger" line and BFG in Inception. If that's possible, what's the point of half the conflict in the movie? In a shoot out? Just conjur up AIDS or a nuke to take out the bad guys. Need to move a bomb from a hotel room to an elevator? No you don't, just go to the elevator and think up another bomb.
Inception was basically just a steady stream of plot holes. Most disappointing movie I have ever seen. I was expecting to be mind-fricked, but just got fricked out of $30 instead.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:25 pm to Peazey
That is great and all, but they still introduce a great way to destroy the ring, and then just don't use it. Tolkien was pretty smart, i'm sure he could have come up with a couple of other ways to bring divine intervention into the story so that it doesn't make the entire quest seem pointless.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:27 pm to John McClane
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In b4 Raiders of the Lost Ark
for those unaware how bout explaining
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:41 pm to WG_Dawg
This thread is making me question all movies. I need to stop reading. 
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:49 pm to OMLandshark
Speaking of holes in The Dark Knight, the accountant never actually fingers Bruce Wayne as Batman. Morgan Freeman does that unintentionally.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:53 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Ummm.... think about it. No. He couldn't. No matter how he brings divine intervention in you have the same complaint about making the whole quest seem pointless if you want to take that stance because God is all powerful. That's the point. He could have ended everything at any point. He doesn't until after Frodo's test is complete. If you start imposing limits on how powerful it can be then it no longer is divine intervention.
The truth is that you have an issue with the greater thematic message of Lord of the Rings and Tolkien's work in general. That stance is valid and all, but it isn't a plot hole.
The truth is that you have an issue with the greater thematic message of Lord of the Rings and Tolkien's work in general. That stance is valid and all, but it isn't a plot hole.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:00 pm to WG_Dawg
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for those unaware how bout explaining
He might be referring to the idea that no matter what happens in Raiders, the ending is the same. The Nazis find the ark, open it, and die, with or without Indy. Indy's character is essentially meaningless.
(Raiders is my all time fave though, so I'm not bothered by this in the least)
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:06 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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The eagle got in to pick them up just fine.
Sauron was dead when they were picked up in Mordor. There was no longer a massive army standing in the way.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:06 pm to Johnson City Reb
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no matter what happens in Raiders, the ending is the same. The Nazis find the ark, open it, and die, with or without Indy. Indy's character is essentially meaningless.
I'll admit it's been a good while since I've seen it (need to change that) but didn't Indy find some important clues to get to the ark? I remember once scene in particular after they find that staff that points light and they're like "they're digging in the wrong place!"
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:12 pm to WG_Dawg
They were digging in the wrong place b/c Indy stopped Toht from getting the headpiece needed to find the correct location. The Nazis only had image of the one side that was burned into Toht's hand.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:14 pm to Dr RC
wouldn't the bad guys not have any idea where to even get the piece if it weren't for indy leading them to the girl in teh bar?
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:14 pm to WG_Dawg
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didn't Indy find some important clues to get to the ark?
The headpiece to the staff got Indy and Sallah to the ark faster than the Nazis, but it really only served as a shortcut for the heroes. Ultimately, the Nazis found the map room first, they knew the general vicinity, so it would only be a matter of months, possibly years before they came across the correct location.
ALTERNATELY, let's pretend that Indiana Jones isn't even in the story. In that case, the Nazis retrieve the actual headpiece from Marion earlier in the movie, and we aren't even having this conversation
ETA: They already knew about Marion and where to find her
This post was edited on 3/22/16 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:17 pm to WG_Dawg
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wouldn't the bad guys not have any idea where to even get the piece if it weren't for indy leading them to the girl in teh bar?
No, the Nazis went to Nepal looking for Abner Ravenwood b/c they knew he had the headpiece to the Staff of Ra and b/c he was the foremost expert on the lost city that the Ark was supposed to be hidden in.
The the US gov't stooges knew the Nazis were looking for Ravenwood which is why they contacted Indy.
This post was edited on 3/22/16 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:17 pm to Johnson City Reb
oh ok, gotcha.
So everythign you said makes perfect sense and I"m on board buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut I wouldn't necessarily call that a plot hole.
So everythign you said makes perfect sense and I"m on board buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut I wouldn't necessarily call that a plot hole.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:19 pm to WG_Dawg
I thought there was an issue with the submarine. He hitches a ride on the submarine to the island where they open the arc. Where was he hiding out? Surely he could not hold his breath that long.
This post was edited on 3/22/16 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:20 pm to Peazey
I forget if the scene was cut or never filmed but I think the idea was the sub never went to deep water and Indy tied his whip to the conning tower in case it went just below the surface.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:21 pm to WG_Dawg
Yeah, it's really more of a "DOH!" moment on the writers' part than it is an annoying plot hole. I'm a huge fan of the story myself, I've always thought of it as the perfect action/adventure movie, or at least as close to perfect as you can get.
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