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re: Dudley/Batum
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:46 pm to 504ByrdGang
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:46 pm to 504ByrdGang
Brandon Ingram is the only rookie SF that would unseat QPon.
Brown would play SG here.
SOMEHOW land Simmons? goodbye QPon and Jrue.
Simmons is like an Australian Rick Barry, and should probably start shooting his free throws granny style too...
Brown would play SG here.
SOMEHOW land Simmons? goodbye QPon and Jrue.
Simmons is like an Australian Rick Barry, and should probably start shooting his free throws granny style too...
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Posted on 3/16/16 at 7:21 pm to Jizzamo311
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Not that Dudley isn't a serviceable guy, but are we talking about the same 30 yr old that averages 8 & 3????
Do you even pay attention to the NBA? This team has to build around Jrue and AD. They need 3 and d guys. Dudley is a great fit next to AD in a small ball lineup. He is a really good defender, and is a career 40% 3 point shooter.
People who think Dudley is nothing should probably stop acting like they know anything about basketball.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 7:25 pm to Jester
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Totally agree. People overvalue the frick out of QPon, and it seems to get worse the longer he is out.
Not overvaluing anything. He is a nice 3 and d piece in a small ball lineup, and a guy who can play sg and sf. All I was saying was, if you have 2 great players in Jrue and AD, and surround them with 3 guys who can shoot and defend, that's a really good team. Please do tell exactly what kind of players you are hoping they sign.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 7:30 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Reckon the national guys like him because he is so friendly with all of them and gives great interviews
Yeah, couldn't have anything to do with the fact that he is a really good defender who can guard sf and pf, is great for this new small ball stretch 4 era of basketball, and is a career 40% 3 point shooter. Someone in this thread even pointed out how AD has trouble against him.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 7:32 pm to GynoSandberg
Maybe 20-25 but you get my point
He's a quality backup at both spots you can plug in to plenty lineups
He's a quality backup at both spots you can plug in to plenty lineups
Posted on 3/16/16 at 7:55 pm to landrywasbeast30
Sub 12 PER. Doesn't pass the eye test at all. He's really just 'a guy' who is by all accounts likeable and a great teammate but he Ain't helping you win games any more than any other backup wing you can get out there.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:20 pm to Boomshockalocka
His PER is only one less than Ariza this season. He's not as bad as you make him out to be.
Dudley has always been one of those guys you'd be thrilled about if your team signed him because plays his role well.
Dudley has always been one of those guys you'd be thrilled about if your team signed him because plays his role well.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:31 pm to theducks
He's in that Corey Brewer, Matt Barnes, pondexter kinda guy. Dudley. No matter which one of those guys you have he ain't making a real difference in wins and losses. Maybe a 6th or 7th best player in a legit team kinda guy.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:57 pm to Boomshockalocka
Yes, Dudley, a career 40% 3 point shooter, good defender, great small ball guy, not known for athleticism, loved by analytics nerds, is like Corey Brewer, 29% career 3 point shooter, bad defender, more of an athletic up and down kind of guy, hated by analytics nerds. You really know your stuff.
Even Barnes isn't a good comparison because Dudley can hold his own playing the 4. No one is saying Dudley is a star, but he is a great fit with Jrue and AD. He is the kind of guy this team should be looking at signing.
Even Barnes isn't a good comparison because Dudley can hold his own playing the 4. No one is saying Dudley is a star, but he is a great fit with Jrue and AD. He is the kind of guy this team should be looking at signing.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:08 pm to landrywasbeast30
40% shooter who makes 1 a game. One where's the impact of that? Who cares if he shoots 40% he only makes one per game that ain't shite. It doesn't affect wins and losses. If he shot 80% but only made 1 per game it wouldn't even be worth mentioning. Analytics nerds love Dudley? Not quite with his sub 12 per. By definition that is somewhere between 'in the rotation' and 'scrounging for minutes' which is exactly where Dudley is.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:13 pm to landrywasbeast30
I have no faith in the front office to pursue guys like Dudley.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 11:22 pm to Boomshockalocka
agree with your response to me. He's not a needle mover. No one is debating if Dudley will make their team "contenders." He's who he is. Even if he starts and gets 20 minutes a game, he's still good for that.
However I disagree with this
He stretches the court. As long as he's there to keep defenses honest he has value. He's not going to win any games himself, but as a team, they'll win more because he creates space for his players to work with.
However I disagree with this
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40% shooter who makes 1 a game
He stretches the court. As long as he's there to keep defenses honest he has value. He's not going to win any games himself, but as a team, they'll win more because he creates space for his players to work with.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 11:54 pm to Boomshockalocka
I don't know if Dudley stole your girl or something, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Imagine if Dudley would be playing next to AD instead of Dante Cunningham, and getting those same wide open 3's. That's a huge deal.
This team has 2 stars that can get 20 ppg, and should be taking most of the shots. The goal is to surround them with players who fit around them, which are guys who can shoot and defend. Dudley fits that role, and would be a great small ball 4 with AD at the 5.
It's sad that you don't understand these simple things. You should take a look at Draymond Green's numbers from 3, then think about the fact that his ability to stretch the floor as a small 4 is a huge thing for that team.
This team has 2 stars that can get 20 ppg, and should be taking most of the shots. The goal is to surround them with players who fit around them, which are guys who can shoot and defend. Dudley fits that role, and would be a great small ball 4 with AD at the 5.
It's sad that you don't understand these simple things. You should take a look at Draymond Green's numbers from 3, then think about the fact that his ability to stretch the floor as a small 4 is a huge thing for that team.
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 3/16/16 at 11:57 pm to Boomshockalocka
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He's in that Corey Brewer, Matt Barnes, pondexter kinda guy. Dudley. No matter which one of those guys you have he ain't making a real difference in wins and losses. Maybe a 6th or 7th best player in a legit team kinda guy.
35 MPG or 27.7 MPG
4.1 WS; 0.085 WS/48 or 3.8 WS; 0.102 WS/48
108/108 ORTG/DRTG or 114/108 ORTG/DRTG
1.4 BPM or 1.0 BPM
12.9 PER or 11.8 PER
41.2/37.6/76 shooting on 10.5/6.2/1.9 attempts or 48.1/44.3/72.4 shooting on 6.4/3.2/1.3 attempts
12.4 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 2.3 APG, 2.4 BSPG, 1.4 TOV or 8.6 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 2.1 APG, 1.2 SBPG, and 1.1 TOV
oh yeah: 8 mil or 4.25mil
looks to me like if one doesn't make a difference, neither is the other guy because outside of a couple of things, they're pretty much identical tier players.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:02 am to htran90
You comparing Brewer and Dudley? Again, Brewer is nowhere near the defender or shooter Dudley is, especially with Dudley being able to hold his own at the 4. That's a pretty big difference. These guys aren't similar even a little.
ETA; my bad, that's Ariza. He is a better comparison, but even he isn't as good a shooter as Dudley, and not sure if he is as tough defending the 4 either. But this made more sense at least.
ETA; my bad, that's Ariza. He is a better comparison, but even he isn't as good a shooter as Dudley, and not sure if he is as tough defending the 4 either. But this made more sense at least.
This post was edited on 3/17/16 at 12:13 am
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:17 am to htran90
He's been in he league how long and is only worth 4.25 mil. That tells me a lot right there about how he is viewed and what his value is and it's much closer to my opinion of him than those who are pimping him.
And how about you compare Ariza in wash to Dudley in wash since they played similar roles in the same offense a season apart. Ariza kills him across the board. There is no comparison.
And how about you compare Ariza in wash to Dudley in wash since they played similar roles in the same offense a season apart. Ariza kills him across the board. There is no comparison.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:24 am to landrywasbeast30
Wasn't comparing them by the type of player that they are as much as the impact that they have on winning. All are nothing more than rotation guys. All are vets with NBA track records who are pulling in 3-4 mil a year. That's their value in today's NBA. No need to try to hype them to make them seem more valuable than they are.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:47 am to Boomshockalocka
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He's been in he league how long and is only worth 4.25 mil. That tells me a lot right there about how he is viewed and what his value is and it's much closer to my opinion of him than those who are pimping him.
Biyombo is playing better than a lot of "20-25MPG" type centers and is making FAR less than many of them, even the big name guys on recent contracts from the past couple of years. Does that mean he's any less of a center?
I'm not even pimping Dudley, I think he's a solid player who isn't going to do much other than be a defensive piece who can knock down a 3pt shot once or twice a game.
similar to two other prominent guys: Tony Allen or Thabo Sefolosha? They were the same.
Ariza "kills him across the board"? He plays 7 more minutes per game than him and only grabs 1 more board and 6 more points, yet takes 4 more attempts a game.
The fact is, Pelicans don't need a SF who takes 10 shots a game, between Gee and Cunningham both take 7, which runs right around the number Dudley takes now. Difference is, he can knock down those 3's and is a bigger threat than either of our guys. That is more important to give AD, Tyreke, and Jrue room when they attack the basket.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 8:05 am to htran90
See me, I am more of an apples to apples guy than a apples to oranges kinda guy.
Ariza as SF in WASH:
PER 15.8
VORP 3.6
WS/48 .141
Dudley in the same role:
PER 11.7
VORP 1.4
WS/48 .101
Ariza as SF in WASH:
PER 15.8
VORP 3.6
WS/48 .141
Dudley in the same role:
PER 11.7
VORP 1.4
WS/48 .101
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:42 pm to Boomshockalocka
I'm on mobile right now so I'm not going to lol up numbers but Ariza was a starter that was asked to score in Washington right? Sorry boom but you're not doing well in this thread. As others have pointed out, Jareds sole purpose on that team is to shoot one maybe two 3s a game if there, play defense and provide spacing for Wall to work with. His role is much more similar to Ariza's now in Houston than Ariza in Washington.
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