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gfycat mega-post: why is Lindsey Scott so underated
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:43 am
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:43 am
so, here's the deal; Scott is one of my favorite prospects in this entire class, I think he's great, yet he's not even ranked in the top 1000.
this is baffling to me, and all I can come up with is the fact that, in large part, how the players are rated is based on how they perform at the camps and in the drills. and when you watch someone like Shea Patterson, the vast majority of his highlights are very quarterback-y.
he does his drop, plants his feet, makes a good throw. over and over and over. he might be the best player in America when it comes to doing the drills in camps.
this is not an insult, btw, Shea is very good, he plays like a Manning or Brady.
Lindsey Scott doesn't play like that at all. he's much more like Farve or Aaron Rodgers or Mariota or Russel Wilson. his feet and his release point change constantly, usually because he's moving around to buy time
here are 6 examples of what I mean, his throwing motion is different in every one, and every one is a great throw
album 1
none of the 4 QBs I just compared Scott too were heavily recruited either. only Mariota went to a big program and Chip Kelly didnt even want him, Helfrich had to push hard to get him. the other 3 went to USM, a juco, and NC State.
every year in the NFL draft you hear talk about a QB's release, you see guys like Tebow go to specialized coaches to change their mechanics and "fix" their delivery. so I think scouts see a player like this, whose motion changes so often, and have no idea what to really make of it.
It's easy to make Shea Patterson a 5 star, but I watch Russel Wilson sometimes and even now it feels like half his plays are blind random luck. very obviously that's not the case, I think he's proven that, but Scott plays the same way.
here are some more examples of him moving around in the pocket. 1 or 2 are designed roll-outs but most are just him buying time.
album 2
like Mariota (another 3 star), Scott is smart, he makes very quick reads. in these 4 examples you can see him making his decisions very quickly before moving on (i like how he "nopes" the frick out on his first read to the right in this one)
album 3
even under insane pressure he stays cool, moves his feet, and finds his outlets
album 4
which is not to say he cant do a standard drop and set his feet, because that's there too
album 5
his arm is not as strong as Farve or Rodgers, I'm not pretending otherwise, and his accuracy isn't always pin-point but I don't care about that because this isn't a youtube trick shot video. the reality is he has dominated at the highest level for 2 years now.
long story short, I think Scott can be great. I think if he had to gone to Oregon he'd have won a Heisman. if we can actually use what he is and not try to make him something he isnt, he could be the best player in this class. jmo
this is baffling to me, and all I can come up with is the fact that, in large part, how the players are rated is based on how they perform at the camps and in the drills. and when you watch someone like Shea Patterson, the vast majority of his highlights are very quarterback-y.
he does his drop, plants his feet, makes a good throw. over and over and over. he might be the best player in America when it comes to doing the drills in camps.
this is not an insult, btw, Shea is very good, he plays like a Manning or Brady.
Lindsey Scott doesn't play like that at all. he's much more like Farve or Aaron Rodgers or Mariota or Russel Wilson. his feet and his release point change constantly, usually because he's moving around to buy time
here are 6 examples of what I mean, his throwing motion is different in every one, and every one is a great throw
album 1
none of the 4 QBs I just compared Scott too were heavily recruited either. only Mariota went to a big program and Chip Kelly didnt even want him, Helfrich had to push hard to get him. the other 3 went to USM, a juco, and NC State.
every year in the NFL draft you hear talk about a QB's release, you see guys like Tebow go to specialized coaches to change their mechanics and "fix" their delivery. so I think scouts see a player like this, whose motion changes so often, and have no idea what to really make of it.
It's easy to make Shea Patterson a 5 star, but I watch Russel Wilson sometimes and even now it feels like half his plays are blind random luck. very obviously that's not the case, I think he's proven that, but Scott plays the same way.
here are some more examples of him moving around in the pocket. 1 or 2 are designed roll-outs but most are just him buying time.
album 2
like Mariota (another 3 star), Scott is smart, he makes very quick reads. in these 4 examples you can see him making his decisions very quickly before moving on (i like how he "nopes" the frick out on his first read to the right in this one)
album 3
even under insane pressure he stays cool, moves his feet, and finds his outlets
album 4
which is not to say he cant do a standard drop and set his feet, because that's there too
album 5
his arm is not as strong as Farve or Rodgers, I'm not pretending otherwise, and his accuracy isn't always pin-point but I don't care about that because this isn't a youtube trick shot video. the reality is he has dominated at the highest level for 2 years now.
long story short, I think Scott can be great. I think if he had to gone to Oregon he'd have won a Heisman. if we can actually use what he is and not try to make him something he isnt, he could be the best player in this class. jmo
This post was edited on 2/2/16 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:45 am to MastrShake
You don't have to sell him to us......he wants us and want him.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:46 am to MastrShake
It's up to our coaching staff to develop him to his full potential.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:49 am to MastrShake
Great post with real thought out information. Much appreciated.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:49 am to MastrShake
MastrShake
I upvoted your post.
I upvoted your post.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:49 am to The Pirate King
He appears to be the best QB we've had from a mental standpoint in a long time. I'd put him in the Matt Flynn/Matt Mauck type of mentality. Gritty, team leaders with really good FB IQs. To me, for a QB, that is far more important than all of the physical attributes and even the accuracy.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:58 am to MastrShake
Nice work. He seems to have a good sense of pressure and moves well. He also moves into a better throwing position to get a better angle on the pass.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:00 pm to MastrShake
Seemed like he stares down one receiver every time.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:06 pm to Tigerpaul1969
quote:
best QB we've had from a mental standpoint in a long time
Biggest thing in my opinion. And look, a crossing route on the last clip! Would be nice to see him allowed to do that when his time comes to take the position.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:13 pm to Macintosh504
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Seemed like he stares down one receiver every time.
he literally does the exact opposite of that in every single .gif i posted on here. in all 5.
in the first one there are 3 WRs on the right so thats why you dont see him look around
in the second one his first read is the WR on the far hash mark
in the third one he looks right, then center, then left before running
in the fourth one he starts left, throws right
in the fifth one his first read is to the left hash, he throws to the center of the field
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:15 pm to MastrShake
I'm excited for him to be a tiger. I really am. The first clip though looked like the curl route was wide open and he didn't throw on time but rolled out and forced it into coverage. That's why I hope fans give him a couple of years to learn our system and be coached instead of him being forced to play too soon.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:16 pm to Macintosh504
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Seemed like he stares down one receiver every time.
Clown. Why do they even allow you on this board? Go play on the Rant.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:17 pm to MastrShake
Wow bro....how much time do you have on your hands. Hahahah awesome post.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:18 pm to MastrShake
Don't hurt me but in those few highlights I see Johnny Manziel...
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:20 pm to jondavid11
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The first clip though looked like the curl route was wide open and he didn't throw on time
yeah i saw that as well, but we do lose sight of the DB that went with him, its possible he was just out of frame and Scott thought he could jump it.
or, frick, yeah, maybe he just made a mistake. hard to say.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:26 pm to MastrShake
I like him and I know Les prefers quarterbacks that are mobile. He is an intelligent kid and I think he will excel in this area too.
He is a great addition in a much needed area.
He is a great addition in a much needed area.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:29 pm to jondavid11
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That's why I hope fans give him a couple of years to learn our system
If LSU tries to stick him in "their system" he'll never succeed. This guy isn't Zack Mettenberger. Don't try to make him Zack Mettenberger
If LSU is willing to spread the field a bit more, give him some throwing lanes and/or get him out of the pocket a bit, he could really succeed. If LSU has him take the majority of snaps from under-center and primarily throw passes from traditonal 3, 5, 7 step drops, he'll be just another "what could have been" QB at LSU.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:30 pm to jondavid11
On that curl, I it looks as if the Db is just out of the frame waiting to jump the receiver.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:33 pm to MastrShake
Great post. I don't know if he'd win a Heisman if he went to Oregon but I know this, the kid can flat out play. If, and this is a big if, if Cameron crafted an offensive scheme based on his talents I think Scott could at least be an above average QB in the SEC. And most years that's all we need, an average/above average QB who can keep the chains moving and keep defenses honest.
Above all else though we need a consistent QB. Harris has shown that he can play at an above average level at times. I'm hoping that he can improve his play and become more consistent and reliable.
Above all else though we need a consistent QB. Harris has shown that he can play at an above average level at times. I'm hoping that he can improve his play and become more consistent and reliable.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:35 pm to MastrShake
Great post and I'm as excited about this kid as I've been in a long time. They finally did it.
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