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re: Lay-off Simmons...the reason we lost

Posted on 1/20/16 at 3:46 pm to
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20460 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 3:46 pm to
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For what it's worth, Lebron had an awful shot when he first entered the league
For what it's worth, Lebron was still an aggressive and physical beast his first year. I don't see Simmons being able to manhandle players the way Lebron does (and did). He's smooth and quick, but there are a lot of guys who can defend that, if there isn't the threat of a midrange game.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
19120 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:55 pm to
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is because Victor was limited by foul trouble and Jones continued to play Quarterman even though he went in the tank after his first couple minutes in the game.


Do you even pay attention to the game? TQ was leading scorer for LSU last night. Josh Gray contributed 2 TO's, 2 PF's, and 0 pts as a starter last night.

You might want to do some research for a different goat...

I see a lot of people blaming Victor for getting in foul trouble. shite happens when you have to guard a 6'10" 270 lb guy who was Mr. Basketball last yr in Texas... He was a load and CV did better than anyone else on him. He at least neutralized his man while he was in the game by matching him scorewise.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46627 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 5:02 pm to
Teams have learned they can play off of Simmons and he can't hurt them. He straight up refuses to take a jumper and teams know it. They are playing off of him and basically taking away his offensive strength which is dribble drive. As good as a prospect as Ben is he just isn't an elite offensive threat at this level.
Posted by LSU4ever15
The Woodlands
Member since Mar 2009
341 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 5:09 pm to
This is simply not true. Go watch some of his first year highlights
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
19120 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 5:11 pm to
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They are playing off of him and basically taking away his offensive strength which is dribble drive.


I noticed that aTm defended Simmons off the dribble with a secondary man so the initial defender would not get caught in a stupid handsy foul and still get beat to the goal. They simply cut his lane off and he had no choice but to pull out of the drive. They were also good at making sure no unattended guys were left under the goal as a result of the double team.

That was the first time I have seen anyone do that effectively on Simmons this season.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46627 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 5:13 pm to
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Lebron year 1 and Ben year 1 of college are highly comparable.


No,they really arent. Lebron ' s first year out of high school he was averaging 20 a game in the NBA. Simmons is not the offensive threat that Lebron was.
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 8:35 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46627 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 5:18 pm to
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noticed that aTm defended Simmons off the dribble with a secondary man so the initial defender would not get caught in a stupid handsy foul and still get beat to the goal. They simply cut his lane off and he had no choice but to pull out of the drive. They were also good at making sure no unattended guys were left under the goal as a result of the double team. 


A&M has a good front court. Davis and jones are tough to deal with. Davis surprised me.
Posted by Taper Fade
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2015
33 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 5:23 pm to
And this isn't even a slight to Benny. LeBron may be the most physically gifted athlete ever. The comparisons weren't really fair from the beginning.
Posted by Anubis0713
Member since Dec 2015
36 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 6:52 pm to
Simmons is averaging numbers that haven't been put up in almost 40 years and people are complaining he isn't doing enough?

Is it Simmons fault Blakeney went through a long stretch shooting 20% from the field?
Blakeney is shooting 37% and 30% from 3

Sampson shooting 34% and 30% from 3

Patterson shooting 29% from 3

Quartetman is averaging 34% from 3

The starting bigs are not the problem. It would help if any of the guards knew how to pass to Simmons and Victor in the post.

As for mentioning Buddy Hield. It took him until his 4th year to score 36 points or more which he has done once, Simmons did it twice in his first 11 games.
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 7:06 pm
Posted by rilesrick
Member since Mar 2015
6704 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 7:10 pm to
"He is an amazing talent with a skill set that WILL make him impossible to guard."




So wrong...... he will likely never be a dominant scorer ever in his career . His skill set makes him more of a Facilitator . This alone is what sets him apart. When he gets on the floor with great scorers in NBA he will shoot even less than he does now. IMO I think he's great talent but not a great scorer. Glad he's on my team
Posted by Laman1978
Earth
Member since Jan 2009
10916 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 7:12 pm to
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He still has much to learn and in time, I agree, he WILL be impossible to guard
Too bad he won't be at LSU anymore, so I personally won't care nearly as much.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46627 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 8:40 pm to
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And this isn't even a slight to Benny. LeBron may be the most physically gifted athlete ever. The comparisons weren't really fair from the beginning


You're right, it's not a knock. Lebron was averaging 27 points a game ,2 years out of high school. Lebron is for sure the most physically gifted basketball player ever.
Posted by Tigahbader
Nunya
Member since Oct 2014
767 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 8:43 pm to
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Simmons is not the offensive threat that Lebron was.


right and he gets no respect from opposing D's outside of about 6-8 feet. Packing a 2-3 zone is the perfect antidote to Ben.
Posted by Jesterea
Member since Nov 2011
1044 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:49 pm to
He scores 20 points a game. You people are ridiculous.
Posted by Bayoufightingtiger
Member since Aug 2011
4608 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:41 pm to
Simmons needs to stop passing the ball when he has capable looks around the basketball. Why does he pass the ball to our big men when they have no type of scoring abilities. We have no depth inside and he needs to grow some and get physical. You get drafted on potential and right now his team needs production.
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