re: Those of you "fans" who are so anti-everything LSU football need a reality check

That's an awesome view point and outlook for you, and I am sure you just so sweet of a person your mother has a permanent smile on her face that she just can't wipe off. So why do you give a fuk about what the rest of us think about Les miles and the team. You ever think your opinion as great as it is, is not the only opinion our there. GFY

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yes

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There is zero doubt that LSU has had a lot of players in the NFL. They are 8th all time. But to just assume that LSU is flooded with NFL talent every year not only shows your lack of LSU knowledge, but it tries to portray the totally idiotic narrative that "LSU recruits itself".

The whole "all this NFL talent" talent excuse is just that. An excuse. Yall want to complain that Miles doesn't develop talent (which he has done better than anyone in the history of the program, record be damned) and just wins because talent flocks to LSU. Here's a news flash. The talent is at LSU because he has brought them in better than any other coach in the school's history. The 10 drafts that Miles has had players that he developed have averaged 6.4 NFL players per year. The school's history prior is 3 per year. 3. He has more than doubled the amount of NFL talent per year in this program. He has accounted for 19% of the NFL players at LSU, while only coaching for 12.5% of the time that LSU has actually had NFL players.

Sure, you can use the other excuse that LSU has more going for it now that it did in years past. But why is that? Is it because of everyone BUT Les Miles? Never mind the fact that this is all during a time of unmatched parity in college football, and wide open offenses with guys throwing up crazy stats every year but he still does it better than anyone else.

Bottom line is this. When we are talking about NFL players, and the amount of talent LSU has (which they do), you have to look at it in context. We have all of that talent because he has recruited them and developed them better than anyone in LSU history, and anyone else in college is doing currently. "All these NFL players" don't come here just because, and they don't get developed better anywhere else. That much isn't up for debate. Whether someone else could have more games, of course, is. However, you don't have that many guys playing on NFL rosters from LSU if he isn't the coach.

Well said, sir.

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So, LSU crockpots, LSU bbq grill tools, LSU clocks, LSU Christmas decor, LSU t-shirts, LSU lights, etc., is limited solely and exclusively to football? Come on, it doesn't take a Wall Street executive to see the down trend. Just go to any random store that sells LSU merch.

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Nobody is buying an LSU crockpot because they really dig the shotput or triple jump or Australian crawl buddy. Football is king in NCAA sports, and is the reason for all of that branded merch in the first place.

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1) STFU
2) High Expectations are a good thing
3) LSU has a unique advantage in talent to themselves, so comparison to Arkansas, Ole Miss, Miss State and Auburn is ridiculous, as any of those would love the recruiting-to-themselves leverage LSU has.
4) This ain't the old days. LSU has as much coverage, or more, than any other college football program, and has the base it never truly had at any other historical period.

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You're not getting it.

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I love the "realistic" explanation. Some fans think they are being "realistic" because they are not content with just 10 win seasons and we should be competing for championships every year. But, in reality, historical teams that average 10 wins are among the best of the best. It isn't that people are content with being a 3-loss team, it is that they realize that over the long-run, from an historical perspective, achieving anything more is very unlikely, and that at least keeping pace with some of the best programs in the country is not the end of the world.

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When your coach is getting paid like the "best of the best", and your 4 year recruiting average is 5th out of 127, what do should be a reasonable expectation??

Why is losing to teams with a 4 year recruiting average in the teens by double digits in consecutive years not something to look at and say "well theres no reason for that to happen" ??

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There are also a lot of fans that don't give up on the program after the first loss of the season. They saw another few bad losses, but also saw a different team come out against aTm and finish the season strong. These fans hadn't already given up on Miles, because they were still trying to enjoy the games. I saw the love these kids had for their coach. I think everyone with a brain knows 2016 is a do or die situation, and that is why I think we will see changes next year; because if we don't improve on the field, we will see changes to the staff. The players needed a fire lit under them just as much as the coach, and I think it has been lit.

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if you think one of Cameron, Steele, or Peveto will not be returning, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

When I was a child I used to poop my pants.

But I grew up and now appreciate the value of unpooped pants.

Maybe the NCAA should go to a 15 game schedule so we can win 11 or even 12 games some years. Well, scheduling enough rent-a-wins could become a problem at 15. Maybe 14 should be the new flavor.

wooooo hooo! Lets go Texas Bowl! Yes!

Great post OP. Nice perspective..... something the rant needs

I have high expectations and expect the best, but I also have no control over any other. I'm just going to go ahead and root for my Tigers to murder Texas Tech..... and hopefully get a much needed Bowl victory. Gotta crawl before you walk and right now we reverted back. They will get there again and I will cheer for them until they do