re: Les Miles "hands on OC" ....lets close this topic

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. 2012, 2013 were in line with '05, '06 and '09 in attempts.

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Huh????


05 was JaMarcus Russell's year....where are you getting your information? A coloring book?

1993 182 yds/game (Hallman) (5-6)

1994 220.5 yds/game (Hallman) (4-7)

1995 190.8 yds/game (DiNardo) (7-4-1)

1996 173.1 yds/game (DiNardo) (10-2)

1997 141.2 yds/game (DiNardo)

1998 216.2 yds/game (DiNardo)

1999 219.3 yds/game (DiNardo)

2000 245.3 yds/game (Saban)

2001 298 yds/game

2002 153.1 yds/game (back-up QB Randall played half the season)

2003 232.6 yds/game

2004 201.8 yds/game (Marcus Randall/ JaMarcus Russell share QB snaps)

2005 224 yds/game

2006 251.7 yds/game

2007 225.3 yds/game

2005 Passing attempts averaged 27.7 per game (rushing 39.2)-224 yds/game
2006 Passing attempts averaged 28.3 per game (rushing 34.6)-251.7 yds/game
2007 Passing attempts averaged 31.6 per game (rushing 43.7)-225.3 yds/game
2008 Passing attempts averaged 30.1 per game (rushing 38.1)-201.3 yds/game
2009 Passing attempts averaged 25.8 per game (rushing 33.5)-181.8 yds/game
2010 Passing attempts averaged 23.2 per game (rushing 41.4)-155.6 yds/game
2011 Passing attempts averaged 19.9 per game (rushing 42.2)-152.5 yds/game
2012 Passing attempts averaged 27.4 per game (rushing 40.5)-200.5 yds/game
2013 Passing attempts averaged 25.1 per game (rushing 40.2)-251.0 yds/game
2014 Passing attempts averaged 21.2 per game (rushing 47.8)-162.9 yds/game
2015 Passing attempts averaged 20.3 per game (rushing 42.2)-166.3 yds/game


You also have to take into account the landscape of CFB as the years have progressed.

And based on these numbers LSU is going in the opposite direction in terms of their philosophy. Attempts are down, number of yards are down.

Just because they have more attempts, doesn't mean they aren't still being conservative......










Mettenberger had 3082 yards in 2013.

Russell had 3182 in 2006.

Those are the best passing seasons LSU has had in the last 15 years.

Mettenberger seems to be the only outlier.

Look at the WR's LSU has had in that same time span. Guys who played more than 1 season in the NFL.

LaFell
Bowe
Davis
Doucet
Randle
Beckham Jr.
Landry
Wright
Shepard
Brazell
Green
Holliday


Les has more in common with Hallman and DiNardo than he does Saban. We all know Saban had an established talent base at LSU. He put the fences in. Indisputable.

FWIW I know someone who's brother is on the team. She said Les pretty much runs the offense.

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still looked clunky and confused at times

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that's the part that amazes me. Guys always look confused, cheking the sidelines, raising their hands to one another, then false start or illegal formation or whatever comes next

Sorry, missed 12 and 13, the other poster added them and they are in line with 14 and 15. But can you really go back to 12 and 13 and think they were any better than what we are seeing now?

Not sure what all that has to do with allowing 25+ att/gm with a 1st year stater after disastrous '08.

I get it, you think LSU should pass more.
I just want Ws and haven't seen where passing at all costs is any indicator of guaranteed victory as many SEC titles and NCs were won with minimal attempts.

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Not sure what all that has to do with allowing 25+ att/gm with a 1st year stater after disastrous '08.

I get it, you think LSU should pass more.
I just want Ws and haven't seen where passing at all costs is any indicator of guaranteed victory as many SEC titles and NCs were won with minimal attempts.

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I never advocated for a "passing at all costs" playing style. Thats what keeps getting brought up, yet no one has truly suggested that.

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at all costs is any indicator of guaranteed victory as many SEC titles and NCs were won with minimal attempts.

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You're right, but its a new era of football. So that doesn't mean it can't be done, and it has been done the last 3-4 years.

We just want balance, and if LSU needs to pass for 400 yards, and rush only 20 times, we want LSU to have that ability. If LSU needs to rush for 350 yards, and pass for 100 yards, we want LSU to have that ability.

There are teams good at rush defense, but bad at pass defense. That would be a game where you'd say pass until you can't stop. If its the other way around, run until you can't stop.

Its not a matter of: pick one offense, and do the same thing every game.

We know Les Miles despite the other team very weak against the pass, will still run his head into a brick wall.

We've have exposed teams that cant stop the run.

The only thing we havent ever exposed is the other teams' inability to defend the pass.

Last season against Miss St. was a great example. They were very weak against the pass, GREAT against the run. Well...LSU runs into a brick wall until they were getting beat by +2TD's. Harris comes in and they decide to start throwing....and LSU somehow manages to throw for 2 really quick touchdowns....not a coincidence to me.

This year against Arkansas again...Arkansas GOOD against the run, BAD against the pass, and struggled against up-tempo offenses.

LSU comes in, runs the ball, gets down 2 TD's, FB gets hurt, go down by 3 TD's starts the up-tempo, scores 2 quick touchdowns.

Same old thing. Its a pretty basic thing to look at the numbers....and then take that to film....LSU should have come out whipping it around through the air against Arkansas. Then, when they start to put 5 DB's on the field, they can take advantage of the run....seems REALLY simple.

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Not sure what all that has to do with allowing 25+ att/gm with a 1st year stater after disastrous '08.

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I never was talking specifically about that. Idk if I would call that "disastrous". It happens. Just look at Kyle Allen at TAMU. He threw 3 pick 6's in ONE game. A&M is still trying to get the passing game going.

How about Baker Mayfield at OU? In the game against Tenn at half he had 3 INT's...well...OU came back out, kept letting Mayfield throw it around...low and behold....OU comes back and wins.


Up-tempo spread allows for quick points, and utilizes depth due to the number of plays. Something which LSU should kill teams at. Not just depth, but the pure skill of the WR's.

We assume Les will NEVER forget how to grind it and run. We need LSU to develop another weapon in their arsenal, and they have all the pieces there, its just a matter of putting it together. Thats what is frustrating.

How many times over the years have we come out of a timeout, change of possession,tv timeout &had to waste a time out? The offense is always at the line of scrimmage for forever it seems and looks to the sideline 2-3 times and finally rush to snap with 1-2 seconds on the play clock. I believe it was the flea flicker recently Les told the sideline reporter that Cam asked him to run it and eventually convinced him it would work.
Gary Crowton had top offenses at Byu,Oregon,etc with the recruiting pools there.He comes to Lsu where the recruiting pool is soooo much better and has an offense , I believe was at #120 or so.what does that tell you? Coach Stud didn't want to put up with being handcuffed.Coach Cam has always been praised for his work with P. Rivers, J. Flacco, D.Brees and has had good offenses. The improvement he made with Mett. I like the run it down your throat mentality but you have to throw also. I think the majority would like our offense if he'd let these guys run their offense. Look at the drive before halftime of Arkansas. That was sweet. Where did that go?

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This year against Arkansas again...Arkansas GOOD against the run, BAD against the pass, and struggled against up-tempo offenses. 

LSU comes in, runs the ball, gets down 2 TD's, FB gets hurt, go down by 3 TD's starts the up-tempo, scores 2 quick touchdowns. 

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We threw the ball on the first 5 out of 6 plays. First 3 drives opened with a pass

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LSU should have come out whipping it around through the air against Arkansas.

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We did, Brandon missed.