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Posted on 11/9/15 at 3:02 pm to BHSU Only
Yeah, that was part of his job.
I'm not even knocking Key on this, though. It was pretty obvious he would struggle there.
For what you're saying to make sense, his role would have had to be a 3rd down/passing-situations-only role. That was not the case. He played a ton on 1st and 2nd down/running situations. I actually think his best role right now would be as a pass rush specialist, but that would require better options on other plays. I do think Bower is stronger against the run, and there are some different things that can be adjusted to help vs. the run in terms of rotation, but there isn't a lot of depth on the defensive line right now, so Key is in a position where he has to do things that aren't necessarily a strong point for him at this stage in his development. He's a young guy. He has plenty of time for improvement, and he has a lot of skill and potential as a pass rusher.
I'm not even knocking Key on this, though. It was pretty obvious he would struggle there.
For what you're saying to make sense, his role would have had to be a 3rd down/passing-situations-only role. That was not the case. He played a ton on 1st and 2nd down/running situations. I actually think his best role right now would be as a pass rush specialist, but that would require better options on other plays. I do think Bower is stronger against the run, and there are some different things that can be adjusted to help vs. the run in terms of rotation, but there isn't a lot of depth on the defensive line right now, so Key is in a position where he has to do things that aren't necessarily a strong point for him at this stage in his development. He's a young guy. He has plenty of time for improvement, and he has a lot of skill and potential as a pass rusher.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 3:07 pm to TiggerB8t
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I would've gambled going to these two talented WR's in the 15-30+ yd routes in isolation all night long
Here's the problem with your theory. We would have lost by 35 if we had done that.
No, the coaches did the right thing. In hindsight they could have thrown more on first down to start the game.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 3:08 pm to MrSpock
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So going 6/19 on 21 pass plays called in not proving they could stop us?
26 carries for 54 yds is better than 19 passes for 128 yds?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 3:18 pm to Penrod
Pernod, we may have lost by 35 - true, especially if we go 3 and out 4-5 times in a row...and don't give our defense some time to catch their breath on the sidelines - so, you say taking the conservative approach of "don't embarrass ourselves early and lose big" is the right approach?? FYI, I've been a big supporter of Miles over the good and bad years, but I'm not below making arm-chair observations that make some sense. Bottom line is that stretching the field and doing anything possible to put Bama on its heels was the only way I saw to turn momentum.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 3:23 pm to Penrod
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Here's the problem with your theory. We would have lost by 35 if we had done that.
Did you get a chance to peer into a Parallel Universe to see what would have happened?
Dupre and Dural showed that they could get open against Alabama's DBs. We don't know what would have happened if they would have gotten more opportunities, but I don't think it's a bad idea from OP (although, as I said, there are other things that I think also could have worked). The main issues, in my view, would have been pass protection, and Brandon Harris' health and accuracy.
Tim Williams was able to beat the tackles with relative ease, and there was consistent pressure from other spots on passing plays. And Harris was definitely not fully healthy.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 11/9/15 at 3:40 pm to MrSpock
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So going 6/19 on 21 pass plays called in not proving they could stop us?
Exaclty. We tried to pass. Harris was off after he got dinged up.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 3:54 pm to MrSpock
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I would've gambled going to these two talented WR's in the 15-30+ yd routes in isolation all night long until they proved they could stop us
So going 6/19 on 21 pass plays called in not proving they could stop us?
Not exactly. We are a play action type of passing game. If we can't run the ball, then the passing game suffers.
We really should have a package that allows more a spread game when needed. I think our receivers can handle it.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 3:58 pm to TiggerB8t
We did. We have these guys for a reason. Use them when it's not working on the ground.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:01 pm to SouljaBreauxTellEm
We could have been in 3 wide the whole game.
Dural and Johnson can catch WR screens.
We passed the ball to tie it up at 10.
After the INT, I knew we were done.
Dural and Johnson can catch WR screens.
We passed the ball to tie it up at 10.
After the INT, I knew we were done.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 5:03 pm to SabiDojo
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It wasn't their DBs that were stopping us. It was their front 7 getting pressure
There's a recipe to exploit that, you know.
Not really and especially difficult without a dynamic QB. Our QB still has a lot to learn and had that look again. There's no magic formulas when the opposition is that much faster and stronger. We have 1 QB, there's still a lot of football left. Confidence and health have to be somewhat a priority as well as totally abandoning the game plan. I'm with Penrod that's not us. More bad than good would've most likely occurred. Bama got pretty vanilla At the end themselves. It was their night.
We can piss on Miles, blame the high dollar OC, turn on our players blame the schedule etc
There's plenty of blame to go around. There's probably 10-15 angles one could take. I'm still a bit shocked at what happened. I'm not sure the coaches or even the players even know what exactly caused them turn into the 85 Bears and us Tulane, other than the obvious.
There were people In here asking did they have one guy on their offense that could start for us pre game. Throw the tape in the trash and on to Arkansas.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 5:10 pm to LSUANDY25
Should have been chunking it up the whole second half, that's all he can do, do it then, the run was shut down,and u didn't call the screen or TE over middle, he couldn't complete the short pass
Posted on 11/9/15 at 5:30 pm to TigerFan55555
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and not one time did we try a screen.
I would classify that 1 attempt to Fournette as a middle screen - Harris just missed it - he has some consistency issues on what should be short, easy throws - his deep passes are more accurate than his short ones.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 5:40 pm to Makinbacon
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I like how kiffin gives Coker easy throws to make, perhaps LSU should give that philosophy a shot.
It would be nice to have a modern offense with the ability to use a passing attack as a way to exploit weaknesses and keep opposing defenses off balance.
Alabama knew pretty much every play were were going to run based on personnel and formation. And it's been like that every year against them because an NFL scheme is a little too much for an outdated high school one.
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