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re: Historical top QB's
Posted on 11/2/15 at 7:09 pm to aib799
Posted on 11/2/15 at 7:09 pm to aib799
I want to see if these modern qbs could hold up to getting hit on almost every play, they started protecting qbs in the early eighties and it has got completely out of hand now. I think the number of these guys that throw for so many yards would fall like a rock if they knew they were still going to get hammered after they threw.
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 7:12 pm to goldenbadger08
I've seen that same meme with terry Bradshaw
Posted on 11/2/15 at 7:35 pm to aib799
Joe Montana is tGOAT. Passer Ratings in his day averaged way lower in he is like 6th all time. To have a career rating of 92.3 playing in his day is just insane.
Dude was 4-0 in Super Bowls with 11 TDs no INTs 285 yards a game passer rating of 127.8
Dude was 4-0 in Super Bowls with 11 TDs no INTs 285 yards a game passer rating of 127.8
Posted on 11/2/15 at 7:44 pm to rolltide32
eh, it's splitting hairs ... marino was a bad arse, though ... miami had no running game ... he was throwing it 40-50 times a game then, and i'm no miami/mareno fan ... manning is over-rated, simply because he's a nice guy (great qb, but not in the discussion at all for goat) ... you have brady, montana, unitas and maybe 1 or 2 others for the legit goat ... somebody like a staubach is always under-rated, and somebody like manning or farvre is always a bit over-rated ...
Posted on 11/2/15 at 8:21 pm to Stagg8
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QBs now that doing a statistical comparison across eras is not really reliable.
I don't know if I buy this. It's the tried-and-true answer for most but I really wonder if this is just some "well back in MY day we walked 4 miles to school in the hail with no shoes!" type shite. Do you ever wonder if maybe there are just better athletes alive now? Nothing stopped guys from slinging it before.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 8:38 pm to Rand AlThor
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I don't know if I buy this. It's the tried-and-true answer for most but I really wonder if this is just some "well back in MY day we walked 4 miles to school in the hail with no shoes!" type shite. Do you ever wonder if maybe there are just better athletes alive now? Nothing stopped guys from slinging it before.
If you can't tell a difference between QB play/offenses in today's age and 25 years ago then you haven't watched much football
DBs can't touch anyone, no defender can touch a QB, etc. the NFL has all but admitted the game is tilted towards QBs so the teams can protect their most important investment
Posted on 11/2/15 at 8:39 pm to Agforlife
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want to see if these modern qbs could hold up to getting hit on almost every play, they started protecting qbs in the early eighties
That argument is a double edged sword. Those QBs didn't play against the defenders as big and fast as the ones today. Who is to say if they could have taken the same hits.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 8:42 pm to jg8623
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If you can't tell a difference between QB play/offenses in today's age and 25 years ago then you haven't watched much football
I am in my mid twenties. So I wasn't alive.
There has been a noticeable change, the style of play has changed a lot. Passing is more common, and SJW modern America has people more atuned the risks of playing the game. So I understand the rules they've made. But if guys like Marino could do it in the mid 80s, why couldn't anyone else?
Posted on 11/2/15 at 8:46 pm to Rand AlThor
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But if guys like Marino could do it in the mid 80s, why couldn't anyone else?
No one is saying they couldn't, it's more about comparing stats and everything
I'm pretty sure most the great QBs in today's game could perform well back then, but well never know for sure. But you put the QBs from back in the day in today's game they would undoubtedly put up better numbers and be just as good if not better than they were
Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:00 pm to Agforlife
Not really correct. While the rules protect the quarterback on the modern game, they were enacted to allow teams use more receivers and fewer pass blockers. Teams ran more max protect and 2 or 3 receiver routes years back to keep from getting the quarterback hit. New rules allow more wide open passing game and more scoring.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:01 pm to aib799
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Also was looking at some of Marino's numbers and was surprised to see his career completion percentage only at 59%. I didn't watch Marino, how good was he?
Well when Marino played running backs were just that, running backs. The west coast offense changed that. Roger Craig, Ricky Walters, Larry Centers were the few that changed that game as a true duel threat. So, the dump offs and the dink and dunk plays you see today have definitely helped percentage of completed passes. A lot of the throws you see today are technically extension run plays. When back in the day, shite, only 10-12 years ago, to not run the ball on first down was unusual.
Eta: and yes in my honest opinion Marino is the best pure passer of the football ive seen. Rodgers comes close, but I give Marino the edge due to his release. Still til this day has not been duplicated. He was great in the pocket but thats just it never left it cause he couldn't. That being said he was rarely sacked because of his release being so quick.
Eta:2. Montana was a quarterback in a system. Marino was the system. Bill Walsh said that, or something to that matter
This post was edited on 11/2/15 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:07 pm to jg8623
Not saying any of these guys are GOAT, but there are four who changed the way the QB position was played:
Sammy Baugh- virtually invented the modern QB position
Johnny U- QB as the field general
Montana- West Coast Offense
P. Manning- check/no huddle offense
The other great QBs of all of those eras modeled their games from the examples of these guys. Brady and Brees play the game they do because Manning invented it.
Sammy Baugh- virtually invented the modern QB position
Johnny U- QB as the field general
Montana- West Coast Offense
P. Manning- check/no huddle offense
The other great QBs of all of those eras modeled their games from the examples of these guys. Brady and Brees play the game they do because Manning invented it.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:12 pm to dpd901
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check/no huddle offense
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P. Manning
Do you even Jim Kelly?
Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:19 pm to Rand AlThor
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Do you ever wonder if maybe there are just better athletes alive now? Nothing stopped guys from slinging it before.
Nothing stopped guys? Other than the defensive backs being able to maul the wide receivers and the defensive linemen being allowed to suplex the quarterbacks.
Do you really think the tenth to fifteenth best quarterback playing today legitimately has comparable numbers to the best quarterbacks to play in the 60s through 90s?
Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:20 pm to tankyank13
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Do you even Jim Kelly?
The entire league didn't change their offensive schemes based on Jim Kelly.
When Manning came into the league, most teams were running West Coast or run heavy offenses. Now, almost every team is running some version of the offense Manning started in Indy... Or would if they had a QB that was capable of if.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:23 pm to saturday
I think Rodgers lost some respect last night.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:23 pm to Rand AlThor
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if guys like Marino could do it in the mid 80s, why couldn't anyone else?
1) You exaggerate by saying "guys like" when Marino was the only one to pass for 5k yards in a season and that record held for decades.
2) You appear to categorically rule out the possibility of exceptionalism in any era with this kind of logic. If a guy like Leonard Fournette can run for 150 yards a game for half a dozen games in a row then surely it must not be remarkable? Right? That's not even an adequate comparison frankly - because unlike the Marino record people actually have done that sort of thing before.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:23 pm to tankyank13
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Marino is the best pure passer of the football ive seen. Rodgers comes close, but I give Marino the edge due to his release. Still til this day has not been duplicated.
That release is still crazy looking today. I would love to see Marino or a Dan Fouts slinging it around in today's NFL.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:30 pm to tigerpimpbot
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That release is still crazy looking today.
It was a thing of beauty. How the the hell he put so much velocity on the ball with so little motion is crazy.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:34 pm to tankyank13
Bree's is definitely a top 5 all time qb in my eyes. His resume speaks for itself. You would have trouble finding a relevant passing statistic that Brees isn't top 5 all time in. Just stats for the last decade are probably the best of any qb ever.
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