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re: Passing when you have Herschel/Bo
Posted on 10/4/15 at 2:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/4/15 at 2:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'd like offensive balance as much as the next fan, however...
1980 UGA
12-0 SEC champs, Sugar Bowl, National Champs
Buck Belue
77/156 (49%)
1314 yds (110/gm)
TD/INT: 11/9
1983 Auburn
11-1 SEC Champs, Sugar Bowl
Randy Campbell
78/142 (55%)
873 yds (79/gm)
TD/INT: 7/3
Buck is a radio/TV personality here in Atlanta now. I once heard a joke on the radio:
Q: "Why did Buck cross the road?"
A: "To hand off to Herschel."
Here's the post. Maybe he edited. But it's not about Heisman winners. It's not about AP. It's about 2 once in a lifetime backs and what their teams looked like. 2 backs. That's all. You can go along way when you have a back LIKE THESE TWO. That's it. And it's true. Does our passing game need to improve? Yes. Do I think we have the team to win it all this year? Probably not. Can we win a lot of games because LF is one of those rare backs like these 2? Yes.
1980 UGA
12-0 SEC champs, Sugar Bowl, National Champs
Buck Belue
77/156 (49%)
1314 yds (110/gm)
TD/INT: 11/9
1983 Auburn
11-1 SEC Champs, Sugar Bowl
Randy Campbell
78/142 (55%)
873 yds (79/gm)
TD/INT: 7/3
Buck is a radio/TV personality here in Atlanta now. I once heard a joke on the radio:
Q: "Why did Buck cross the road?"
A: "To hand off to Herschel."
Here's the post. Maybe he edited. But it's not about Heisman winners. It's not about AP. It's about 2 once in a lifetime backs and what their teams looked like. 2 backs. That's all. You can go along way when you have a back LIKE THESE TWO. That's it. And it's true. Does our passing game need to improve? Yes. Do I think we have the team to win it all this year? Probably not. Can we win a lot of games because LF is one of those rare backs like these 2? Yes.
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 2:40 pm to biglego
I agree, and quite frankly, I'm at a loss. Brandon Harris is doing everything that is asked of him. He's not turning the ball over, he's picking up yards with his feet, and he's making accurate passes.
The regression from Dural specifically, Dupre, and Diarse is confounding and, as you said, simply inexcusable. Diarse got benched in favor of Tyron Johnson this past weekend. Trey Quinn, DJ Chark, and Jazz Ferguson are viable options.
The regression from Dural specifically, Dupre, and Diarse is confounding and, as you said, simply inexcusable. Diarse got benched in favor of Tyron Johnson this past weekend. Trey Quinn, DJ Chark, and Jazz Ferguson are viable options.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 2:40 pm to dstone12
We definitely play down to the competition. And LSU is not the only program. Apparently THE Ohio State University has endured that issue lately as well. And Bama did not play with its full attention vs Middle Tenn. It happens. A lot more in CFB than most people want to admit.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 2:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
how
Um. Cause he gave 2 examples from history when it happened. 2 examples of rare rb's like LF. Yes there are other examples of it not. But the sample size of backs like that is small and the op was only dealing with 2. Stay on track man.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 2:46 pm to geauxjo
quote:
I'd like offensive balance as much as the next fan, however...
stats older than i am have no place in a discussion about college football in 2015
quote:
Do I think we have the team to win it all this year? Probably not.
well then we're having 2 different conversations
Posted on 10/4/15 at 2:47 pm to TriumphTiger
Compare that to typical NCAA passing stats of the year. Where was it ranked?
Posted on 10/4/15 at 2:52 pm to Will Cover
"I feel like the biggest change in 30 years is the evolution of the running quarterback."
You mean like Fran Tarkington & Roger Staubach?
They ran in College & the Pro's,
You mean like Fran Tarkington & Roger Staubach?
They ran in College & the Pro's,
This post was edited on 10/4/15 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 10/4/15 at 2:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
stats older than i am have no place in a discussion about college football in 2015
I think it does when you have to go back that far to find a couple of backs that compare to LF. But that my opinion.
As far as the conversation about NC's it wasn't apart of the op's thoughts. It as only about having a balanced passing attack when you backs like Bo and Hershel.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 2:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
the comment was about teams winning titles with heisman RBs
the last was bama, in 2009. and they passed for more than double what we are doing
Right
But he was probably one of the least deserving Heisman trophy winners of all time. I don't even think he should be part of this discussion
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:07 pm to mgmer
It is at least worth mentioning that Harris has done very well extending drives with his feet.
We need to improve in the passing game, that's a given. It has been pretty ugly all around (although Harris is not the problem, imo). But moving the chains is the idea, run or pass.
A running QB will be huge against Ole Miss, FL, and Alabama.
2015: 143 yds, 6.0 avg, 3 TDs
In SEC play:
Miss State: 5 rushes for 48 yards
Auburn: 8 rushes for 66 yards, 2 TDs
Just something to keep in mind.
We need to improve in the passing game, that's a given. It has been pretty ugly all around (although Harris is not the problem, imo). But moving the chains is the idea, run or pass.
A running QB will be huge against Ole Miss, FL, and Alabama.
2015: 143 yds, 6.0 avg, 3 TDs
In SEC play:
Miss State: 5 rushes for 48 yards
Auburn: 8 rushes for 66 yards, 2 TDs
Just something to keep in mind.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:07 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:
LSU doesn't need balance, they need to be good at passing when they do it.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:17 pm to BasilBogomil
quote:
It is at least worth mentioning that Harris has done very well extending drives with his feet.
I totally agree. I think that BHs running ability is a great tool and makes him more valuable than his passing numbers denote. I wish that we would run an offense more like Auburns with Nick Marshall. BH could run that offense very well.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:30 pm to oldcharlie8
quote:
a shite ton has changed in 30 years
Style has changed but fundamentals will never change
You still have to block, tackle and control the line of scrimmage.
Oregon offense win an National title? Nope
TCU nope, haven't even been in the title game
Baylor? Nope...yet the score 65 a game
OSU yep won a title
Bama yep
LSU yep
Auburn with Cam yep
Florida had a decent run game with Tebow
FSU had a balanced team
These teams had great defenses as well
The point is, fundamentals always trump "trends"
If you have the jimmy's and Joes to run and block...this usually brings more wins than does the Texas Tech offenses of college football
Frankly, watching LF and LSU this year is way more exciting than watching Tech and TCU score over 100 points.
But I'm an LSU fan
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:48 pm to geauxjo
quote:
Maybe he edited
I added the Buck Belue joke...
Posted on 10/4/15 at 4:04 pm to geauxjo
quote:
No the original post was about Bo/Hershel and their qb's. Not "mere" Heisman winners. There have been back win the Heisman that weren't in the category of those 2.
I also chose Auburn's best season with Bo. They lost 4 games in his Heisman season.
The point was that you can ride the back of a once/twice in a generation back if you have to.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 4:37 pm to TriumphTiger
Yes, and how many teams during that time period passed for 300 yd/game? I'll bet almost none. I bet not even half the NCAA passed for 200 yards/game in that time period.
Times have changed. Coaches realized you can score more points using a different method.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 4:51 pm to ApexTiger
quote:
Style has changed but fundamentals will never change You still have to block, tackle and control the line of scrimmage. Oregon offense win an National title? Nope TCU nope, haven't even been in the title game Baylor? Nope...yet the score 65 a game OSU yep won a title Bama yep LSU yep Auburn with Cam yep Florida had a decent run game with Tebow FSU had a balanced team These teams had great defenses as well The point is, fundamentals always trump "trends" If you have the jimmy's and Joes to run and block...this usually brings more wins than does the Texas Tech offenses of college football Frankly, watching LF and LSU this year is way more exciting than watching Tech and TCU score over 100 points. But I'm an LSU fan
I agree that fundamentals for the most part remain the same, but do you honestly believe that we can win a NC without establishing any sort of passing attack at all. You see, I am an LSU fan too and my entire reason for caring about whether or not we have a balanced offense is because I don't think that we will be able to beat the upper eschelon SEC teams or any playoff team if we continue to only have success when we run. I also think LF is the best running back I have ever watched in person and this year's offensive line run blocks as good as any I've ever seen at LSU. I, just like most of the "negatigers" on this board, want LSU to do whatever it takes to give us the best opportunity to win all of our games and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that not being one dimensional is the first step to achieving that.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 4:54 pm to geauxjo
quote:
I'd like offensive balance as much as the next fan, however...
1980 UGA
12-0 SEC champs, Sugar Bowl, National Champs
Buck Belue
77/156 (49%)
1314 yds (110/gm)
TD/INT: 11/9
1983 Auburn
11-1 SEC Champs, Sugar Bowl
Randy Campbell
78/142 (55%)
873 yds (79/gm)
TD/INT: 7/3
Buck is a radio/TV personality here in Atlanta now. I once heard a joke on the radio:
Q: "Why did Buck cross the road?"
A: "To hand off to Herschel."
Here's the post. Maybe he edited. But it's not about Heisman winners. It's not about AP. It's about 2 once in a lifetime backs and what their teams looked like. 2 backs. That's all. You can go along way when you have a back LIKE THESE TWO. That's it. And it's true. Does our passing game need to improve? Yes. Do I think we have the team to win it all this year? Probably not. Can we win a lot of games because LF is one of those rare backs like these 2? Yes.
Okay. So what should LSU do when Fournette leaves? We didnt have a 50 year back before the last two seasons, and we still sucked at passing. They're not doing this because of Fournette. It just turns out that Fournette plays a position that Les Miles runs into the ground annually regardless of rain/snow/hail, 600 men in the box etc.
The passing game almost seems mentally challenged.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 5:00 pm to TriumphTiger
quote:
This is one of the biggest moments in UGA history during that 1980 season:
How does this historic UGA moment give us insight into LSU's terribly one-dimensional offensive game plan?????!?!?!
Its one pass.
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