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Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:26 am to Akit1
#1 If you believe in a conspiracy then you believe that Ruth Payne was involved. She had to be since she was Oswald's connection to get a job at the Book Depository. You also must believe that Roy Truly, the man who hired Oswald there, was involved. In 50 years there has never been any evidence that either has had any connections to the FBI, CIA, mafia, or any other group conspiracy theorists point the finger at.
#2 You also have to believe that Jack Ruby, running late as it is, decided to risk missing Oswald all together when he stopped off at Western Union to wire one of his employee $25 to pay her rent like 3 minutes before he shot Oswald. You'd also have to believe that Oswald himself was involved in his own end as the only reason he hadn't been transported long before Ruby arrived at the police station was because he asked for a change of clothes.
#3 The physical evidence overwhelmingly shows that all shots came from the 6th floor of the book depository. The infamous "magic bullet" presupposes that Kennedy and Connelly were seated on a level plane, but in reality we know that model Lincoln had a front seat that was sunken around 13 inches below the rear seat. When corrected the trajectory shows Lee Harvey Oswald was the only one who could have fired that shot.
Oswald acted alone.
#2 You also have to believe that Jack Ruby, running late as it is, decided to risk missing Oswald all together when he stopped off at Western Union to wire one of his employee $25 to pay her rent like 3 minutes before he shot Oswald. You'd also have to believe that Oswald himself was involved in his own end as the only reason he hadn't been transported long before Ruby arrived at the police station was because he asked for a change of clothes.
#3 The physical evidence overwhelmingly shows that all shots came from the 6th floor of the book depository. The infamous "magic bullet" presupposes that Kennedy and Connelly were seated on a level plane, but in reality we know that model Lincoln had a front seat that was sunken around 13 inches below the rear seat. When corrected the trajectory shows Lee Harvey Oswald was the only one who could have fired that shot.
Oswald acted alone.
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 8:31 am
Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:29 am to Draconian Sanctions
Yeah all that. well said.
If it hasnt been said, "killing kennedy" is a wonderful book
Sorry i didnt underline. My phone sucks
If it hasnt been said, "killing kennedy" is a wonderful book
Sorry i didnt underline. My phone sucks
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:45 pm to monsterballads
quote:It's almost like not being able to fly a Cessna, yet piloting a jumbo passenger airliner into a target....on the first try.
Not many shooters are good enough marksmen to fire three shots within six seconds at a moving target, scoring two hits out of three, with a rifle that was inaccurate and unreliable.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:50 pm to Geaux8686
quote:Five words I have never seen in succession until now.
plaster fell on their afros
Have an upvote.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:51 pm to Geaux8686
quote:
SabiDojo, read that book. It proves LHO was the lone shooter. He was a nut case. Spent 2 years in the USSR.
You understand that those of us with experience handling firearms are highly skeptical of the official story - of the rapidity of the shots, the relatively low quality of the alleged weapon, the complications of the site of the operation, the relative implausibility of the "magic bullet" theory and other strange coincidences that befell people involved with the assassination, alleged witnesses, the assassin of the assassin, - just a whole host of irregularities surrounding the whole thing.
"proves" is just off the table because of this. I'm not saying a reasonable person cannot believe that LHO acted alone - and there is evidence to support this conclusion.
But, it is pretentiousness at its height to pretend that a reasonable person cannot believe alternative theories that also have evidentiary support - suggesting this could have been an operation by rogue elements of the CIA, U.S. organized crime, or some combination. For that matter, that cannot be proven either.
On your broader point, I agree with you that JFK can be considered largely fictional and based - almost solely - on Garrison's perspective and account from his book, "On The Trail of the Assassins".
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:53 pm to Caplewood
5'9'? Holy shite! I didn't know they stacked shite that high!
What's your name, scumbag?
What's your name, scumbag?
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:55 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Why can't people accept this to be?
Amazing.
All people pointed toward the SBD immediately after the shots were fired.
Guess they were involved, too.
Further, if a conspiracy group really wanted JFK dead, do you think this is really the way they would have drawn it up?
Shoot JFK when he's near no buildings, when he could have been more easily shot several blocks prior to Dealy Plaza.
Amazing.
All people pointed toward the SBD immediately after the shots were fired.
Guess they were involved, too.
Further, if a conspiracy group really wanted JFK dead, do you think this is really the way they would have drawn it up?
Shoot JFK when he's near no buildings, when he could have been more easily shot several blocks prior to Dealy Plaza.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:58 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
Oswald acted alone.
I believe he was the sole shooter. However, being a lone shooter =/= acting alone. There were a lot of people who had reasons for wanting JFK dead. I still don't know what I believe. It could be anything from Oswald acting with the tacit endorsement of Cuban Intelligence (the subject of the book Brothers in Arms) or a LBJ/CIA conspiracy, or the mob.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:59 pm to Ace Midnight
Yes, the movie had an incredible amount of fiction in it.
Not that I'm convinced of the lone shooter thy, but I did see recently that the "magic bullet" phenom was debunked, as the Warren Commision had the wrong measurements/ positions of the rear seat configuration of the limo. When the Gov's seat is brought up and in (back, and to the left) toward center, the trajectory is much more linear, allowing for slight corrections from 1st and 2nd impacts.
One round could have caused the multiple hits without an impossible trajectory.
Not that I'm convinced of the lone shooter thy, but I did see recently that the "magic bullet" phenom was debunked, as the Warren Commision had the wrong measurements/ positions of the rear seat configuration of the limo. When the Gov's seat is brought up and in (back, and to the left) toward center, the trajectory is much more linear, allowing for slight corrections from 1st and 2nd impacts.
One round could have caused the multiple hits without an impossible trajectory.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:02 pm to East Coast Band
quote:
Further, if a conspiracy group really wanted JFK dead, do you think this is really the way they would have drawn it up?
Yes.....you have to remember NO ONE could have ever thought that the Zapruder film would happen.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:03 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
#1 If you believe in a conspiracy then you believe that Ruth Payne was involved. She had to be since she was Oswald's connection to get a job at the Book Depository. You also must believe that Roy Truly, the man who hired Oswald there, was involved. In 50 years there has never been any evidence that either has had any connections to the FBI, CIA, mafia, or any other group conspiracy theorists point the finger at.
False. The caravan route was changed to pass closer to the depository - Oswald - if an operative, could have just been a convenient sheep dip.
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#2 You also have to believe that Jack Ruby, running late as it is, decided to risk missing Oswald all together when he stopped off at Western Union to wire one of his employee $25 to pay her rent like 3 minutes before he shot Oswald. You'd also have to believe that Oswald himself was involved in his own end as the only reason he hadn't been transported long before Ruby arrived at the police station was because he asked for a change of clothes.
Meh. Nobody suggests Ruby was James Bond. Maybe he was told to do what he could - they might have had backups, should Ruby have failed. His role in a potential conspiracy is plausible due to his connections with Dallas LE AND the mafia.
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#3 The physical evidence overwhelmingly shows that all shots came from the 6th floor of the book depository. The infamous "magic bullet" presupposes that Kennedy and Connelly were seated on a level plane, but in reality we know that model Lincoln had a front seat that was sunken around 13 inches below the rear seat. When corrected the trajectory shows Lee Harvey Oswald was the only one who could have fired that shot.
Meh. The "magic bullet" theory looks better over time, I'll admit. I'm even sold on the "magic bullet" coming from behind.
However, the Zapruder film still looks like a headshot from the front - I cannot contemplate a particular physical model of the universe with jetting brain matter carries subjectively, visibly much greater force than the gunshot causing the wound. I understand the vehicle was in motion and I accept that some draw other conclusions from the film.
I mean - there are far, far fewer leaps required to accept 2 (or more shooters) doing that work, possibly including Oswald, than it is to buy that he acted alone - I've never seen conclusive evidence that it is impossible that he did so (Occam's Razor and all of that), but it just seems highly improbable.
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:03 pm to Wtodd
quote:
Yes.....you have to remember NO ONE could have ever thought that the Zapruder film would happen.
Yeah, no shite. Imagine the 1000s of vid clips that would exist if happened today.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:05 pm to East Coast Band
quote:
r, if a conspiracy group really wanted JFK dead, do you think this is really the way they would have drawn it up?
Shoot JFK when he's near no buildings, when he could
I dont think there is a conspiracy. But wtf are you talking about? Near no buildings? Have you been to the book depository before?
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:09 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
The "magic bullet" theory looks better over time
Other than the absurdity of it, think about this:
You have 1 bullet that makes 7 wounds in 2 men so it acts like a hardened bullet (actually this type of bullet was outlawed in the Geneva Convention because it could do this) and then
You have 1 bullet that blows a hole IN THE BACK OF HIS HEAD that acts like a soft or hollow point bullet.....see what some of us are getting at?
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:20 pm to ksayetiger
In fact I have been to that building.
They drove right under the window Oswald shot from.
I'm just stating that there were much better vantage points along the route he could have been shot.
If I were drumming up a plan to shoot JFK in Dallas, I would not have chosen that point along the route to have him assassinated.
They drove right under the window Oswald shot from.
I'm just stating that there were much better vantage points along the route he could have been shot.
If I were drumming up a plan to shoot JFK in Dallas, I would not have chosen that point along the route to have him assassinated.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:42 pm to Froman
quote:
They start shooying LBJ later this year.
They shot LBJ.... right....there...
Posted on 8/12/15 at 2:15 pm to dpd901
Go back and watch the "As It Happened" footage on youtube from the day of the Kennedy Assasination. Just about every witness they interviewed in person and/or over the phone who was present say they heard or felt the shots were from the grassy knoll.
Watch the interview of the of the Newman family. They were right there and said they felt the shots came from the knoll.
Watch the interview of the of the Newman family. They were right there and said they felt the shots came from the knoll.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 2:43 pm to MrBiriwa
Planning of the hit on JFK ?
10 months before it happened
10 months before it happened
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