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re: Craig Biggio becomes 1st Astro inducted into baseball hall of fame
Posted on 7/26/15 at 3:43 pm to sms151t
Posted on 7/26/15 at 3:43 pm to sms151t
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Sandberg
Lajoie
Robinson
Morgan
Kent
Hornsby
Alomar
Collins
Gehringer
Frisch
Want me to list more?
Jeff Kent wasn't better than Biggio by any stretch of the imagination. Neither was Frankie Frisch for that matter. Frisch compiled his numbers when offense was at an all-time high (even more than the steroid era) and the gap in overall league quality from the 1920s and 1930s to the 1990s and 2000s is absolutely cavernous. As for Biggio and Sandberg, I would say it's a tossup between those two. Sandberg was better at his peak but Biggio had much better longevity.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 3:44 pm to tduecen
get real. No way you actually believe all that.
If he played for the Yankees, posting the exact same stats the media (the same people who vote for the HOF) would have been all over his nuts. He would have had more post season opportunities, the New York platform probably would have won him an MVP and he would have been way more visible than he was in Houston.
If he played for the Yankees, posting the exact same stats the media (the same people who vote for the HOF) would have been all over his nuts. He would have had more post season opportunities, the New York platform probably would have won him an MVP and he would have been way more visible than he was in Houston.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 3:44 pm to Bench McElroy
Kent had a higher peak than Biggio
Posted on 7/26/15 at 3:46 pm to tduecen
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Yea that is dumb, to assume because of where he played dictated him being a 1st ballot HoF.
Jeter will be but it has a lot to do with him being the focal point on several World Series teams, the 3k hits, among other things.
Biggio isn't a 1st ballot because he was a compiler, nothing wrong with that but he doesn't have anything that sticks out. He has no memorable postseason plays, nothing in all-star game, and honestly nothing during the season. Being a steady producer who was behind bigger stars (such as Bagwell) hurt him more than the market.
This is contradictory T,Jeter was a steady producer with bigger stars around him...what made him a star in New York was in large part that he was a homegrown "true" Yankee something that fanbase holds near and dear.
Rivera is the only guy on those Yankee teams that deserves to be first ballot.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 3:47 pm to tduecen
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Biggio isn't a 1st ballot because he was a compiler
This shite is so tired. In that case, take out everyone who played more than 10 years. Ruth? Compiler. Mays? Compiler. Cobb? Compiler. Cy Young? Original compiler.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 3:47 pm to theunknownknight
It's not the "hall of stats, it's the hall of fame." I think you could walk up to almost any half arse baseball fan and they would know who Craig Biggio is. The folks that deserve the "shouldn't be there" treatment is players like Bert Blyleven (sp?).
Posted on 7/26/15 at 3:47 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Biggio was a compiler, give me one iconic Biggio play. He deserves to be in the HOF but the difference between Keter and him is iconic plays and World Series rings. Jeter did it on the biggest stage, Biggio has not. Biggio was also overshadowed by Bagwell, Ken Caminiti, Lance Berkman, even Derek Bell during his career which hurts his perceptions.
His numbers are fine but just saying, "if he was in New York he would be a 1st ballot" is ignorant imo because there is more that goes into it than that.
His numbers are fine but just saying, "if he was in New York he would be a 1st ballot" is ignorant imo because there is more that goes into it than that.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 3:49 pm to tduecen
Are you from NY? Not sure I've seen it asked before so forgive me.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 3:49 pm to VernonPLSUfan
Sandberg wasn't as good as Biggio
If Biggio played for the Cubs he would be a first ballot lock
If Biggio played for the Cubs he would be a first ballot lock
Posted on 7/26/15 at 3:50 pm to RonBurgundy
What made him a star was the iconic plays... And what he did in October/November.... Jeffery Mair, the flip, the dive, etc those things signified Jeter. Did he always have the best numbers? No Bernie, O'Neil, Martinez, ARod, Giambi, all produced larger offense numbers but Jeter has the perception of coming up with the big play.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 3:51 pm to tduecen
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Biggio was a compiler, give me one iconic Biggio play. He deserves to be in the HOF but the difference between Keter and him is iconic plays and World Series rings. Jeter did it on the biggest stage, Biggio has not. Biggio was also overshadowed by Bagwell, Ken Caminiti, Lance Berkman, even Derek Bell during his career which hurts his perceptions.
You act like in baseball one man can carry a team to the World Series
Jeter was surrounded by talent because he played on a team willing to spend. That is why he got to deliver on the big stage so many times because his teams were always good
Biggio played for Astros teams that were good but its not like he could single handedly carry them through the playoffs.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 3:51 pm to FightinTigersDammit
I never said a compiler was bad, Jeter is as well he played till he achieved 3k and just produced each season.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 3:53 pm to goldennugget
The Yankees of 96-2000 spent on players that came up through the system, Knoblach, Wells, Tino, Brosius, O'Neil came the way of trades. After 2000 the Yankees started spending like crazy and in turn they didn't exactly win again until 2009. Those teams from 96-99 were build around players that came up through the system and players the Yankees obtained though trades.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 3:55 pm to tduecen
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Jeffery Mair
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the flip
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What made him a star was the iconic blown calls...
FIFY
Posted on 7/26/15 at 3:55 pm to tduecen
Actually you just cemented my point.
If Biggio had been in NY, he would have had rings and an opportunity to make more memorable plays.
If Biggio had been in NY, he would have had rings and an opportunity to make more memorable plays.
This post was edited on 7/26/15 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 7/26/15 at 4:01 pm to cubsfan5150
How so? I asked and I am still waiting for a signature play from Biggio... he did everything very unassuming, he was never the best player on the team, he never led the league in hits or batting average two things writers (not just from NY) still find important. He led the league in doubles 3 times, runs twice, and stolen bases once.
Biggio was a great player but outside of plays that signify his career, or stats that writers find mean something, he wasn't going to be a first ballot. If he played in New York with the same stats, he doesn't go in first ballot, he gets in earlier but still not a first ballot.
Biggio was a great player but outside of plays that signify his career, or stats that writers find mean something, he wasn't going to be a first ballot. If he played in New York with the same stats, he doesn't go in first ballot, he gets in earlier but still not a first ballot.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 4:07 pm to tduecen
How many times did Jeter lead the league in anything other than plate appearances? Very few. Jeter on most other teams is just a very good player, but the media helped him a ton in NY.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 4:08 pm to tduecen
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Kent had a higher peak than Biggio
for what, 2 years? ...
Posted on 7/26/15 at 4:10 pm to cubsfan5150
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How many times did Jeter lead the league in anything other than plate appearances?
hits twice, runs once.
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