re: asik out of eurobasket...back spasms

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but i don't like tall point guards that lack speed

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Lacks speed?

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He is also a priveldged white kid that went to a practically ivy league school. Not much to admire in that struggle.

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For all the reasons to not like a guy

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I am the original Gordon hater. I will never like or root for him, ever. He can never make up the last 4 seasons to me. He is a theif. Plus is a total shell of the athlete he used to be. To even get back even, he'd have to be all pro and lead the team to the finals. Then i might warm up to him.. maybe..

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So you can't even acknowledge personal growth? Or even that he's changed his game for the team?

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I love basketball and i want the Pelicans to be successful. Until then, i want a team i like and players I can pull for. I get i won't like everybody on the team. Thats why i bitch on here..

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You just constantly like taking the other side. You also make statements that make you seem ultracrepidarian. No one is asking you to like a player or not but you're bringing up stupid reasons like they're not hungry or homegrown or shite like that. You're stuck in the past.

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Almost every star or great player is homegrown. It takes time or an angle for a fanbase to embrace a player. Its not an original thing for me to bring up..

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Yet you haven't even given some guys on this team a shot.

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Also every major guy for the Spurs was drafted by them and Aldridge took less money to play in Texas.. bad example..

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Because the spurs are a winning org. No shite any player would like to play for them. The texas thing is a bonus,not the big time reason.

Yes they drafted their core over a decade ago but some of their bigger role players in that run were journeymen.

Establish a winning culture and guys WILL come. Dell has done a good job of finding guys that are hungry(Cole/QPon/DC/Ajinca/Gee etc) and added a guy that will instill some fire and toughness(perk). I also love the coaches they've brought on.

This is what you do. You grab one point of someone's statement and you try to catch them with it, to win a debate. You do this constantly. Your first two quotes of mine and rebuttals are perfect representations. Yes, Holiday has average speed. Probably even less now, since his feet are jacked up. But you didn't touch any of the other parts. Why? Maybe you know I have a point or just too difficult to refute. Then Anderson. You went straight to the white, upper class part. Nothing about the fact that I don't respect his game. Which is kind of a much bigger point. Which is sad, cause I openly pull for almost every white guy in the league.

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So you can't even acknowledge personal growth? Or even that he's changed his game for the team?

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He changed his game cause that is the only way for him to play anymore. He can't jump or get by anybody. He's just not the same athlete. Plus no. I don't think it's great when one of the top 20 or so highest paid players in the league becomes a nice role player on a team that barely makes the playoffs. I'm not going to forget his bitch stance for 3 seasons or taking half the seasons off, training away from the team or demanding franchise money and then running to the corner and sulking instead of becoming a leader. He took the back seat and did nothing to help Davis get the team over the top. Then when it does, he wants to play Mr. Good guy and act like everything was always cool. F him. I can't wait for him to be gone.

That's why I never talk about him. I haven't really acknowledged him for years. It's just better to act like he doesn't exist and celebrate when he finally is gone.

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You just constantly like taking the other side. You also make statements that make you seem ultracrepidarian. No one is asking you to like a player or not but you're bringing up stupid reasons like they're not hungry or homegrown or shite like that. You're stuck in the past.

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Maybe this is a fair point. But then you would be guilty of the exact same thing on the other side. How could we constantly disagree? Plus I back up everything I say. Sure I am wrong sometimes. That's cause it's my opinion. But I admit it and then move on.

Being homegrown is important to a lot of people. It's a great way for fans to attach themselves to players. The team needs fans. It helps a team prosper and get better. I don't think that is an old school way of thinking. This team has checked out of the draft and local players for years. It's a nice way to build up a fan base. Something the team has failed to do..

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Yet you haven't even given some guys on this team a shot.

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Like who? I have grown to like a lot of guys. Jack, Thornton, Vasquez, Smith.. I was rooting for Rivers, had big hopes for Jimmer, R. Smith and P. Jackson (even though the last two never played for us). I really was pulling for P. Young to make the team. I tend to watch and follow guards more. You know my feeling on Gordon and the Holiday/Evans pairing is just unworkable. One always plays so much better without the other..

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Because the spurs are a winning org. No shite any player would like to play for them. The texas thing is a bonus,not the big time reason. Yes they drafted their core over a decade ago but some of their bigger role players in that run were journeymen. Establish a winning culture and guys WILL come. Dell has done a good job of finding guys that are hungry(Cole/QPon/DC/Ajinca/Gee etc) and added a guy that will instill some fire and toughness(perk). I also love the coaches they've brought on.

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The Texas thing was a big deal for Aldridge and you keep saying core, like its a couple of guys. The Spurs drafted and developed over half of their team. The "role players" you are pointing to, were scrubs and guys they resurrected (Diaw, Green and Belinelli). K. Leonard is about to be a top 20 player. He wasn't drafted a decade ago. Neither was P. Mills or K. Anderson (that jut won best summer league player in his group). I get it's not the only way to build a team. But it is the proven way..

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This is what you do. You grab one point of someone's statement and you try to catch them with it, to win a debate.

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That's very popular around here

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He changed his game cause that is the only way for him to play anymore. He can't jump or get by anybody. He's just not the same athlete. Plus no. I don't think it's great when one of the top 20 or so highest paid players in the league becomes a nice role player on a team that barely makes the playoffs. I'm not going to forget his bitch stance for 3 seasons or taking half the seasons off, training away from the team or demanding franchise money and then running to the corner and sulking instead of becoming a leader. He took the back seat and did nothing to help Davis get the team over the top. Then when it does, he wants to play Mr. Good guy and act like everything was always cool. F him. I can't wait for him to be gone.

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thumbs up on the rant brah
that is how it's done

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Lobos is the worst poster on this site. His arguments are always baseless and he's just a giant douche bag.

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Then what the frick are you?

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This is what you do. You grab one point of someone's statement and you try to catch them with it, to win a debate.

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That's due to it being a really asinine statement. I don't like guys for some dumb reasons? What?

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You do this constantly. Your first two quotes of mine and rebuttals are perfect representations. Yes, Holiday has average speed. Probably even less now, since his feet are jacked up. But you didn't touch any of the other parts. Why? Maybe you know I have a point or just too difficult to refute. Then Anderson. You went straight to the white, upper class part. Nothing about the fact that I don't respect his game. Which is kind of a much bigger point. Which is sad, cause I openly pull for almost every white guy in the league.

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It wasn't worth responding to the rest because you have a personal bias and little of what I say will change your preconceived notion. Your opinions are obviously set here about them. So why should I bother?

You're not even trying with a guy like ryno because you despise his game/where he's from and whatnot. We're in semi agreement about jrue but he'll be fine at what he'll be asked to do. Your other reasoning on him seems more personal than basketball.

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He changed his game cause that is the only way for him to play anymore. He can't jump or get by anybody. He's just not the same athlete. Plus no. I don't think it's great when one of the top 20 or so highest paid players in the league becomes a nice role player on a team that barely makes the playoffs. I'm not going to forget his bitch stance for 3 seasons or taking half the seasons off, training away from the team or demanding franchise money and then running to the corner and sulking instead of becoming a leader. He took the back seat and did nothing to help Davis get the team over the top. Then when it does, he wants to play Mr. Good guy and act like everything was always cool. F him. I can't wait for him to be gone.

That's why I never talk about him. I haven't really acknowledged him for years. It's just better to act like he doesn't exist and celebrate when he finally is gone.

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So pretty much nothing he(or has done) does will change your opinion? He changed his came to COMPENSATE for whatever he lost in injury. He's tried for over the past 2 years to intergrate and get the way he is now. He's acknowledged himself that he made mistakes(shite we all do). He finally got the right treatment plan by going to L.A,if a player finds a way to get right I wouldn't care if he went to russia/china if that's what it took(and neither should you).

I've had my share of semi-bashing EG but this is like we're talking about DRose who's a far worse case.

Again this melt of yours proves my previous points.

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Maybe this is a fair point. But then you would be guilty of the exact same thing on the other side. How could we constantly disagree? Plus I back up everything I say. Sure I am wrong sometimes. That's cause it's my opinion. But I admit it and then move on.

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I will acknowledge a players faults but will do it in a less extreme manner. You're better than SOME PEOPLE(they know who they are) in terms of what you say and how you say it. You're actually worth responding to/conversing wih most of the time even though I disagree.

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Being homegrown is important to a lot of people. It's a great way for fans to attach themselves to players. The team needs fans. It helps a team prosper and get better. I don't think that is an old school way of thinking. This team has checked out of the draft and local players for years. It's a nice way to build up a fan base. Something the team has failed to do..

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That hasn't been all their fault.

Winning cures anything

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Like who? I have grown to like a lot of guys. Jack, Thornton, Vasquez, Smith.. I was rooting for Rivers, had big hopes for Jimmer, R. Smith and P. Jackson (even though the last two never played for us). I really was pulling for P. Young to make the team. I tend to watch and follow guards more. You know my feeling on Gordon and the Holiday/Evans pairing is just unworkable. One always plays so much better without the other..

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I'm more refering to the likes of Ryno/Jrue/EG/etc. It's not even worth your time to open your mind a bit on them?

And your latter point is false until we see how they are in gentry's system(regardless EG and maybe reke won't be here long term even if it doesn't)

Even if we judge it by what they were in say november(when all were healthy) and late in the season,it seemed to do pretty well. It's not really big enough a sample size and was in an entirely different system.

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The Texas thing was a big deal for Aldridge and you keep saying core, like its a couple of guys. The Spurs drafted and developed over half of their team. The "role players" you are pointing to, were scrubs and guys they resurrected (Diaw, Green and Belinelli). K. Leonard is about to be a top 20 player. He wasn't drafted a decade ago. Neither was P. Mills or K. Anderson (that jut won best summer league player in his group). I get it's not the only way to build a team. But it is the proven way..

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Yes I do realize kawhi was drafted just a few years ago(they fleeced indy to get the pick remember). I'm more talking about the immortal Duncan/Parker/Ginobili who've practically run this league for over a decade.

They had scrubs/journeymen/Euros on their team play big roles well before guys like Kawhi. Most rookies didn't play a huge part in their success. Their bench at times(and even some of their better role players) were "just a bunch of guys" thrown together. The key thing is a great coach that puts them to use in their greatest areas of strength.

Hell even atlanta did something pretty similar this past year.

As for aldridge: Texas probably played a small role in his decision but to not think the spurs themselves and their pedigree(and pop) are not a huge factor,you're kidding yourself.

brmark, I have read everything you have said in this thread. You have brought up some fair points; however, the problem is that your ultimate goal doesn't seem to be winning (for the team). Winning takes actual, quality NBA players. You listed 9 guys, other than Davis, who you have "pulled for" over the last 6-7 years. Of those 9, 30 teams have agreed 3 are not NBA level players, 2 are last men on the bench types because of their names, and the other four are journeyman backups. Seriously, you could have high hopes or "like" these guys, but the team could not keep them. I would have loved Jimmer to have been good but he wasn't. Cut bait and move on.

You don't like Gordon, Holiday, Evans, or Anderson but these guys are actual quality NBA players. They have all averaged double figure points for their career. Are they perfect players? Absolutely not, but they can be solid contributors to a winning NBA team. Those other guys who you "cared about" cannot. That's where I don't get the logic.

The one thing the most negative guys on the board and the biggest sunshine pumpers could always agree on was that this team was not being maximized through coaching. We now have a whole new staff which I think is a reason for optimism. I'll admit, I was not huge on Gentry, but if you take out his head coaching history from a decade ago or longer and look at his recent assistant coaching, he deserved shot. Erman has also had recent success as an assistant. Let's all pray for health and see what the new staff can come up with to help the NBA quality players on our roster. I'd be willing to bet if the team starts winning, you will start "liking" or "investing" in these guys a little more.

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bullshite, just a day ago you said you don't like Anderson because he is white.

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As if this thread supposedly about Asik could go any further off the rails. Ahh the offseason

Bottom line is everyone can stand a little post improvement. Some more than others, but before you post something ask yourself if you're seeking replies or reactions. If you're seeking reactions from the PT, you may be too isolated from the rest of humanity and need to go work on your IRL people skills.

I think brmark and many others would feel differently about this team if it had been healthy the last 2 years. But injuries are a real thing, there's no guarantee it will get better, and as it currently stands the Demps era has had about as much dead cap space as the end of the Bower era.

Gordon is really the only injury related move that Demps should have seen coming, but the results are still the results. If they bet wrong on Asik's health it doesn't matter that the contract was designed to be stretched in 3 years, it would still be a bad decision if we get 3 years of lethargic Asik. Fortunately for Demps, his boss seems to be pretty comfortable with dead cap space.

Hahaha asik was too lazy getting up the court with Monty as coach. Wish he would have just told the truth that he has a broken back and eg told him its a great franchise to sign huge contracts with free rehab while riding the pine. He has no chance of keeping up in a fast paced offense. He couldn't catch the ball in set half court offenses or anything coming at him with pace. He's a giant retard and speeding the game up will only make him even worse than he already is and that's so damn hard to do.

The Boston announcer said it best last year... he's the type of guy that couldn't score 10 points in a gym by himself.