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re: I think this shooting might actually help race relations
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:10 am to SirWinston
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:10 am to SirWinston
Stay off social media and news channels. You won't hear much bullshite then. Not hard to do.
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:11 am to sealawyer
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The trick will be whether the media and leaders let this process work as a healing process, or if they will drum it up to levels higher than anything we have seen previously
It's absolutely correct. There are people like Deray McKesson who constantly work to agitate. They have already brought whiteness and the Confederate flag into the issue to make it bigger than just this one person. They want to continue the Us vs. Them narrative until there is a full blown civil war.
They do not want healing and will not allow it. It goes against all of their interests.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:13 am to sealawyer
May help with race but eventually someone's going to bring up gun control and the whole thing will escalate to idiotic proportions like it always does. Pretty sure the NRA President is already writing his speech.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:17 am to sealawyer
Just to follow up on my pessimism, I really wish it would help race relations. I'd like for "our community" (the white community hates itself, so we're not much of a community) to be able to credibly reach out to black folks and let them know we don't take this lightly.
Some black people will just use this as a political tool, but I have no doubt that some, perhaps some kids especially, will look at this and wonder what the hell is wrong that someone like this would be compelled to kill people who look like them for no reason. I'd like to be able to comfort those people, tell them I'd rather have a million people that look like them than some fricking white supremacist idiot.
Ultimately, our defensiveness, our political apparatus and the media will keep us from that.
Some black people will just use this as a political tool, but I have no doubt that some, perhaps some kids especially, will look at this and wonder what the hell is wrong that someone like this would be compelled to kill people who look like them for no reason. I'd like to be able to comfort those people, tell them I'd rather have a million people that look like them than some fricking white supremacist idiot.
Ultimately, our defensiveness, our political apparatus and the media will keep us from that.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:20 am to Pettifogger
I think pessimism is the only PC -ism you can have these days.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:38 am to Pettifogger
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I'd like for "our community" (the white community hates itself, so we're not much of a community)
We can't create a 'community'. That would be racist. If we identified a "predominately white church" it would be racist as well.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:42 am to Box Geauxrilla
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We can't create a 'community'. That would be racist. If we identified a "predominately white church" it would be racist as well.
While this is true, white people do not have the shared experience a lot of black people have. Nor a shared history. Obviously not all black people are the same, or originate from the same places, etc.
But, undoubtedly black people have a sense of community we don't have in part because they were forced to have that. In the present, that sense of community is probably both good and destructive, but I'll admit that in the past it was pretty needed.
So while I agree that there is a modern double standard for self-segregation, I don't view that in a modern bubble.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:44 am to sealawyer
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I fail to see how I'm advocating for the shooter at all.
Understood.
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I think this shooting might actually help race relations
Your choice of words left me reeling there for a moment. Of course I understand what you meant to say: that this event, hopefully, will provoke a unified response against the evils of racial hatred.
Just didn't read that way.
Aw, shite, I'd hire you for my attorney. Chances are pretty slim you'd want me for a client though, it sure wouldn't do your rep in the legal community any good.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:50 am to TigerPanzer
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Chances are pretty slim you'd want me for a client though,
You speak English in full sentences. You are probably too good for my client pool.
If any of my clients are listening in, I'm talking about the OTHER ones.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:55 am to sealawyer
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I'm talking about the OTHER ones.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 12:32 pm to sealawyer
Wow. I'm sure back people will be happy about having to die to improve race relations.
Btw, you're wrong, because the OMG Sharpton reactions have already begun.
Btw, you're wrong, because the OMG Sharpton reactions have already begun.
This post was edited on 6/18/15 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 6/18/15 at 12:35 pm to sealawyer
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I think this shooting might actually help race relations
Think again.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 12:46 pm to 12
Obama already released a speech about how "outraged" he is at the event. Never hear him speak about how outraged he was when a bunch of black teens jumped an old white man though
Posted on 6/18/15 at 12:50 pm to public_enemy
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Obama already released a speech about how "outraged" he is at the event. Never hear him speak about how outraged he was when a bunch of black teens jumped an old white man though
Because 9 people didn't die.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 1:04 pm to sealawyer
The main issue with this mass shooting as with almost all mass shootings is mental illness. Once again this issue will get covered over by the media and politicians.
Mental illness is a massive problem in our country. No one wants to deal with the root cause.
Mental illness is a massive problem in our country. No one wants to deal with the root cause.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 2:03 pm to sealawyer
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The trick will be whether the media and leaders let this process work as a healing process
Why would those who benefit from racial tension allow anything to work "as a healing process"?
Do human beings normally act in ways that make them less powerful and more poor?
This post was edited on 6/18/15 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 6/18/15 at 2:07 pm to HMTVBrian2
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quote: The thing that caused the tension in Baltimore, Mizzouri, Florida, and other places was the fact that a sizable portion of the country didn't see anything wrong with the cops actions
which is in itself a problem
Wut? You think the cop in Ferguson was wrong? All evidence says otherwise.
Baltimore is a different story as in we know of no evidence of anything right now.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 2:08 pm to Placebeaux
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No you wont but on the flip side, you wont see a single rational black person voice any support for the police's actions even when they are beyond justified.
Its quite sad you know so few people outside your thought bubble.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 2:09 pm to public_enemy
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Obama already released a speech about how "outraged" he is at the event. Never hear him speak about how outraged he was when a bunch of black teens jumped an old white man though
In fairness, Obama SHOULD make a statement about this incident.
He didn't need to speak out about a lot of the other divisive events he has taken a position on. Meanwhile, crickets on the family killed/burned in DC from the President (in an ideal world he shouldn't speak about the UNC killings, etc. or the DC crime story, but why one and not the other?)
Posted on 6/18/15 at 2:53 pm to Pettifogger
Obama has made some very poor decisions as to what events he chooses to comment on, but I agree. This one deserved a comment.
Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown made him look like an idiot though.
Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown made him look like an idiot though.
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