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re: Have to do a speech on why college athletes should NOT get paid.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:08 am to AUTigermitch1995
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:08 am to AUTigermitch1995
They already are getting paid: they are receiving a free college education. Most young adults would kill for the opportunity to graduate debt free.
Try to add up the cost of 4 years of tuition, room/board, books, meal plan, clothing, tutoring etc and divide it by # of hours college athletes average playing/practicing. I'd be willing to bet their hourly wage is higher than that of normal student making minimum wage at a student worker job on campus.
Try to add up the cost of 4 years of tuition, room/board, books, meal plan, clothing, tutoring etc and divide it by # of hours college athletes average playing/practicing. I'd be willing to bet their hourly wage is higher than that of normal student making minimum wage at a student worker job on campus.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:08 am to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:10 am to undecided
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See my earlier post regarding the Basketball tourney. VCU, Butler, Wichita State are managing to hang with programs like Kansas and Kentucky.
Basketball isn't remotely the same as football. Basketball is a non-contact sport with 5 guys on 5. You could have a lesser team play great together and shoot lights out from 3 and hang with a more talented roster. When you're talking 11 on 11 where guys are physically manning up on each other on the lines, odds are that most of the time the big boys are going to have their way with the VCU/Butler/WSU's of the football world the overwhelming majority of the time.
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Never forget, Georgia Southern beat UF one of the richest programs in the country.Jacksonville State vs Ole Miss. Bama vs La Monroe, LSU vs UAB
And those are 1 game scenarios. For every game you just mentioned, I could show you 100 where the big name team throttled the tomato can. Let's also realize that uf/ole miss/bama/lsu in those games you referenced averaged what, like 6 or 7 wins in those seasons? They are name teams but those simply weren't good football teams.
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 10:12 am
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:12 am to undecided
Also, why isn't the fact that the NFL prefers to have players sit out 3 years discussed more often? There are few 18 year-olds ready for professional football. College is basically the NFL's minor league system in which they incur no cost for training, staff, facilities ect.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:13 am to WG_Dawg
quote:I believe the "cost of attendance" is a "real" number and not some fictional value. I think I read somewhere that UofTexas was about $5000 and LSU's was about $3200, per year.
Do you really think if schools set their own pay limits based on revenue and resources that a boise state would have even a prayer of playing with the big boys?
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:14 am to undecided
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Also, why isn't the fact that the NFL prefers to have players sit out 3 years discussed more often?
what should be discussed about it? It makes sense.
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There are few 18 year-olds ready for professional football.
I would change 'few' to 'maybe 10ish or so...ever'. So, seems like the current policy makes sense?
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:16 am to undecided
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College is basically the NFL's minor league system in which they incur no cost for training, staff, facilities ect.
So...what came first...college or pro football?
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:25 am to AUTigermitch1995
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Any thing y'all would like to bring up so I could add?
free education is awesome and i would love for some university to exploit my kids for millions of dollars.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:31 am to AUTigermitch1995
Because they aren't pros and they are getting free tuition and board.
The critique of that is to say that the university is making millions off of them, they should be entitled to a share of that, and, therefore, they should be considered semi-pros. The counter to that critique is that if that's true, the problem lies with the universities profiting from amateurism, not the fact that athletes don't get paid.
The critique of that is to say that the university is making millions off of them, they should be entitled to a share of that, and, therefore, they should be considered semi-pros. The counter to that critique is that if that's true, the problem lies with the universities profiting from amateurism, not the fact that athletes don't get paid.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:44 am to WG_Dawg
It's another facet for the pay to play model. If college scholarships didn't exits, the NFL would have to create minor league teams to develop their talent and under such a system players would be paid.", likely earning more than whatever their scholarships were valued at
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 10:45 am
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:45 am to undecided
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If college scholarships didn't exits, the NFL would have to create minor league teams to develop their talent and under such a system players would be paid
That's wonderful, but scholarships do exist so that's not a factor.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:48 am to AUTigermitch1995
Because they get a full ride to college. That's the kind of thing most high school kids outside of Louisiana would kill for. They also get free room and board. That's pretty damn valuable and much better than getting paid minimum wage or some bull shite. The only people who want college athletes to get paid are the ones who are already doing so, but want their actions to be legal.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:49 am to AUTigermitch1995
Because they're already getting paid about 40 grand a year to attend school. Scholarship athletes atleast.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:53 am to AUTigermitch1995
The only athletes people care about paying are the football and basketball stars. So what about the athletes on the swim team or gymnastics or soccer? Heck baseball doesn't even have enough scholarships to give their players full rides. Just partial scholarships.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:54 am to 777Tiger
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There's not a valid reason that they shouldn't receive compensation.
They're compensated just fine, whether they take advantage of the opportunity afforded them is on them.
This
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:55 am to WG_Dawg
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That's wonderful, but scholarships do exist so that's not a factor.
But there was talk from the Big 10 I believe at one point that they would eliminate scholarships rather than pay athletes. The NFL promptly responded with the possibility of a minor league system should this occur.
I mean Goodell desperately wants a team in London so wouldn't this be an ideal solution?
I'm sure it was hubris on the schools part but the fact they capitulated to full CoA shows they realize the value from their unpaid labor and the threat the establishment of minor league system would pose.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:55 am to AUTigermitch1995
I honestly can't think of one reason why they shouldn't get paid. Everything I come up with is trumped by the fact they are forced to play college sans baseball. Probably closest thing to modern day slavery that exists.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:56 am to 21JumpStreet
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WG_Dawg
Good points.
This isn't really an argument as to why they should or shouldn't be paid, but more a perspective issue: people join ROTC so they can get an education and then there's a possibility they might lose their life if they serve during wartime.
I've always thought college athletes who believe they should be paid are selfish considering the above.
This is very similar to how we pay athletes millions of dollars, but our teachers and police officers/fire fighters are some of the lowest paid positions.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:57 am to undecided
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But there was talk from the Big 10 I believe at one point that they would eliminate scholarships rather than pay athletes.
Pretty sure that would only happen if courts ruled players should be paid.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:59 am to undecided
And if scholarship and academic pursuit are such noble causes, why isn't Nick Saban's salary commiserate with that of the Psychology professor?
You can't say he can go to the NFL if he's not paid because we all know how that ended the last time
Based on some of yall's assumptions, there's no reason for a mere football coach to be the highest paid public employee in most states.
You can't say he can go to the NFL if he's not paid because we all know how that ended the last time
Based on some of yall's assumptions, there's no reason for a mere football coach to be the highest paid public employee in most states.
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 11:00 am
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