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re: Jeanerette cop dies in chase while not wearing seatbelt - Manslaughter charges

Posted on 4/14/15 at 2:59 pm to
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 2:59 pm to
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More concerned about a case in a different state with very few similarities.
Can I come hang out with you one day. You just seem so cool and awesome and better than me
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
48769 posts
Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:00 pm to
..I blame Ford motors.
Posted by TigerHam85
59-024 Kamehameha Highway
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:01 pm to
Don't run from the police
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:02 pm to
There's prosecutorial discretion for a reason. Following the letter of the law in all cases rarely provides justice to anyone. When you lose sight of that and follow all laws with absolute rigidity, you end up with our current problems- such as over criminalization, massive population of incarcerated people, and general resentment of law enforcement.

Those who can't see the spirit of the law won't see the bigger problems either. That's why our country is screwed.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57511 posts
Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:02 pm to
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Don't run from the police


You'll get shot in the back
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96696 posts
Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:04 pm to
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Not going to waste any more time arguing with people who don't think it's manslaughter but won't even read the actual statute
Here is the definition of DUI manslaughter:


DUI manslaughter is when a person is driving with a blood alcohol content over the legal limit and causes an accident which results in the death of another person or persons.



So explain to me why it wasnt considered an open and shut case? I have read your statute. I understand exactly what it says. But to think there arent extenuating circumstances that change case to case is asinine
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56940 posts
Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:04 pm to
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Sad story, but unless the officer's accident was the result of a collision that was initiated by the suspect, I'm not very comfortable with a manslaughter charge without a seatbelt.



I'm very comfortable with it.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96696 posts
Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:07 pm to
In fact, to think this is such an easy case is stupid. They will see if the cops driving was too reckless, was he focused, was he under protocol, would the seatbelt have saved his life etc etc. It isnt as simple as just reading a freaking statute and ending the case in 5 minutes. Could they still be guilty of manslaughter? Absolutely. But there will be multiple things that go into determining that.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:08 pm to
You are talking about gray areas to posters who can only see black and white.
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 3:08 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:08 pm to
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DUI manslaughter is when a person is driving with a blood alcohol content over the legal limit and causes an accident which results in the death of another person or persons.



So explain to me why it wasnt considered an open and shut case? I have read your statute. I understand exactly what it says. But to think there arent extenuating circumstances that change case to case is asinine0



He didn't cause the accident. That was hard.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56940 posts
Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:09 pm to
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So if a cop makes a traffic stop and accidentally shoots himself while getting out of the car does that also result in charges? I mean, his or her death would be directly related to the traffic stop.


That's a very poor analogy. In your example, the citizen wasn't fleeing from the officer, nor was he engaging in dangerous activity.

I think a reasonable person would conclude that evading police at high speeds that ends in a crash (with apparent attempts to physically cause a crash during the process) significantly led to the high speed accident and thus the death of the officer. The fact that the officer wasn't wearing a seat belt probably contributed to his death, but it doesn't change the fact that the suspect fleeing at high speeds also significantly contributed to his death.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71687 posts
Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:09 pm to
They don't think twice about ticketing regular people for not wearing seatbelts.

Sorry, I think it's a shitty charge.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96696 posts
Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:09 pm to
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He didn't cause the accident.
He ran into the guy with his car Also, who caused the accident in the cops case? DId the suspects run into the cop?
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 3:10 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:11 pm to
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He ran into the guy with his car


And was the guy somewhere he should have been? ETA: A better question would be what did Stallwaorth do to cause the accident?

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Also, who cause the accident in the cops case?


The law doesn't care in this case, nor should it. Stop trying to make bad comparisons.

This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 3:12 pm
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37280 posts
Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:12 pm to
The cop needs to be given a seat belt ticket.
Posted by Ignignot
Member since Mar 2009
18823 posts
Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:12 pm to
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Or is it a result of the officer breaking the law and not wearing his seatbelt?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96696 posts
Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:13 pm to
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The law doesn't care in this case,
So you dont think there will be a case here? Just send them to jail after reading the statute?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:14 pm to
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So you dont think there will be a case here? Just send them to jail after reading the statute?


The guy is going to jail without a doubt.
Posted by toosleaux
Stuck in Baton Rouge traffic
Member since Dec 2007
9244 posts
Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:17 pm to
I can speak from experience that if someone is involved in a two vehicle crash and Vehicle 1 causes Driver 2, who is not wearing a seatbelt, to be ejected and killed, Driver 1 is getting some version of a homicide charge. I've seen it many times.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96696 posts
Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:17 pm to
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The guy is going to jail without a doubt.
Well yeh. The question is will the manslaughter charges stick. I think that will depend on what is discovered. I just dont think it is as simple as "he ran it is manslaughter". There will be multiple things looked at to determine if they are guilty of that
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