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Posted on 4/13/15 at 2:48 pm to meeple
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I'm just wondering if there are any thoughts out there, that the movie is a trick in itself. I just asked if the book went into anymore detail on that. Yes, on the surface it looks like it worked. But you know, Christopher Nolan always has twists and wants you to think after the movie is over with.
He says that because the director assumes most people missed the trick.
I'm pretty confident that nothing else is left to be revealed.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 2:50 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Who was being killed nightly?
Judging by where they were killed nightly, the original died and was essentially reborn with the copy.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 2:55 pm to JJ27
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udging by where they were killed nightly, the original died and was essentially reborn with the copy.
To me the whole theme was you have to live the trick.
SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just like the old asian man could realy walk but to pull off the fish bowl illusion he had to walk with that limp all the time in public. He had to literally die every time. Which is a crazy thought to think the commitment he had to live with going into every show.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 3:02 pm to meeple
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I'm just wondering if there are any thoughts out there, that the movie is a trick in itself. I just asked if the book went into anymore detail on that.
IIRC, there were one or two people who thought that. Casty McBoozer, for one, stands out as someone who thought the movie itself was a trick and that we, the audience, were being tricked. It had something to do with the bodies in the tanks at the end, but I can't remember exactlty what his argument was. I do remember completely disagreeing with him on that though.
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The questions revolved around what all does that truth imply? Who was being killed nightly? etc.
IMO it was very clear that the "current" Angier went into the tank every night, and that the clone ended up in the spotlight. I know there was a line in the movie where he said something along the lines of "Sometimes I never know if I'm gonna be the one in the tank or the one getting the applause" or whatever. But I always took that as just him describing the mindfrick of knowing that he (the "current" he) knowingly sacrificed himself every time he gave a performance.
The thing that was weird though, was why they kept all of the dead clone bodies...seems easy enough to dispose of them. That had something to do with Casty's argument IIRC.
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Posted on 4/13/15 at 3:07 pm to HottyToddy7
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To me the whole theme was you have to live the trick.
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Just like the old asian man could realy walk but to pull off the fish bowl illusion he had to walk with that limp all the time in public. He had to literally die every time. Which is a crazy thought to think the commitment he had to live with going into every show.
Exactly. Angier was the bird that went into the cage, and he did that knowing that he would die, but "he" would live on as the clone. He knowingly sacrificed himself every time for the trick because the audience doesn't want to know the trick; they just want to see the prestige (a.k.a. the little girl being sad the bird dies only to be happy that it didn't in the end......even though we know that it really does get crushed in the cage every time).
Posted on 4/13/15 at 3:15 pm to Pilot Tiger
quote:I'm just gonna get in on this to say this is exactly how I feel. Prestige is a Top 10 movie all time for me.
I think Memento is one of the most original and groundbreaking films of all time and I love it.
But for me, I just turn into a giddy fanboy when I describe the Prestige
Objectively, it can be debated whether it or Memento is Nolan's best work. Subjectively for me, it's not close. And I love Memento.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 3:44 pm to mizzoukills
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uhhhh....the machine 100 percent worked. how is this even a question?
Yeah. The machine didn't work as intended but it definitely worked insofar as the expected result occurred each time.
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Now you’re looking for the secret. But you won’t find it because of course, you’re not really looking. You don’t really want to work it out. You want to be fooled.
The whole movie is a trick; that's exactly the point. The movie is structured like a magic trick. The Prestige of the trick is the final reveal. So this line is Nolan calling to the attention of the audience the fact that Angier never could figure it out because he didn't want to believe it was so simple. In fact, Cutter has it figured out from the very beginning, but Angier refuses, and you, the audience, don't want it to be that easy either, so you go on believing there is some otherworldly reason why Borden can teleport. You go along with Angier through his discoveries, which are indeed otherworldly, and build up your wonder even more. "If Angier does it through science, how does Borden do it? Is it really magic?" And you believe that because you want to believe that. Then the Prestige happens.
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I'm just wondering if there are any thoughts out there, that the movie is a trick in itself. I just asked if the book went into anymore detail on that.
Just reading the synopsis on Wikipedia (I had no idea there even was a book), the book is wildly different in the most important parts. Indeed, the endings are totally different.
As for my thoughts on the movie, it is absolutely incredible. Everything about it is well done. The story itself is something to be admired. The struggle between science and magic (and whether there is really a difference), the struggle of ambitious men, revenge, love, heartache, sacrifice, family, all are explored in this story to wonderful affect.
Unfortunately, it was released the same year as The Departed, Babel, Little Miss Sunshine, Letters from Iwo Jima, and the Queen. I would argue the Prestige is better than all of those except the Departed, but it is not nearly the Oscar bait of those films and, I am sure, was not campaigned for to nearly the extent required to even be nominated, which is a shame. It is one of the better films made in the last decade.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 3:52 pm to LoveThatMoney
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As for my thoughts on the movie, it is absolutely incredible. Everything about it is well done. The story itself is something to be admired. The struggle between science and magic (and whether there is really a difference), the struggle of ambitious men, revenge, love, heartache, sacrifice, family, all are explored in this story to wonderful affect.
Unfortunately, it was released the same year as The Departed, Babel, Little Miss Sunshine, Letters from Iwo Jima, and the Queen. I would argue the Prestige is better than all of those except the Departed, but it is not nearly the Oscar bait of those films and, I am sure, was not campaigned for to nearly the extent required to even be nominated, which is a shame. It is one of the better films made in the last decade.
the prestige, along with assassination of jesse james, are the 2 most criminally underrated movies that i can think of.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 3:55 pm to CocomoLSU
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Exactly. Angier was the bird that went into the cage, and he did that knowing that he would die, but "he" would live on as the clone. He knowingly sacrificed himself every time for the trick because the audience doesn't want to know the trick; they just want to see the prestige (a.k.a. the little girl being sad the bird dies only to be happy that it didn't in the end......even though we know that it really does get crushed in the cage every time).
I have only seen the movie twice, but didn't he WANT to know what the girl went through as she drowned too?
Or am I thinking of a different movie?
Posted on 4/13/15 at 3:58 pm to rondo
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I have only seen the movie twice, but didn't he WANT to know what the girl went through as she drowned too?
I think so.
SPOILERS
In a scene shortly after her drowning he holds his own head underwater in a sink, emerges and then starts crying.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 4:14 pm to rondo
Yeah part of it was punishment to himself I believe.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 4:24 pm to CocomoLSU
I never considered the bird dying in that birdcage trick to parallel Angier's death each time.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 5:14 pm to rondo
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I never considered the bird dying in that birdcage trick to parallel Angier's death each time.
An epiphany that makes the movie even better than it already is. There are just so many things that are perfect with this movie...
Posted on 4/13/15 at 5:54 pm to mizzoukills
Memento is still a far superior film
Posted on 4/14/15 at 9:00 pm to rondo
After watching Inception again and catching all the small details I missed the first time (fantastic movie IMO), I've got to watch The Prestige now.
Would most folks here rate The Prestige even better than Inception?
Would most folks here rate The Prestige even better than Inception?
Posted on 4/14/15 at 9:33 pm to Tiger Ryno
Absolutely fantastic movie.
I never did figure out why they kept the bodies.
I never did figure out why they kept the bodies.
Posted on 4/15/15 at 12:38 am to Azazello
Gonna have to rewatch this. This movie was so fantastic! Did it ever get really popular? I don't remember hearing about it all until I just randomly decided to watch it somewhere (I don't even remember )
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