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LSU Baseball's pitching decision from Friday Night: Someone explain them to me..
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:21 am
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:21 am
We cruised through 6IP without giving up a run and Poche looked sharp. In the 7th, we let him throw the wheels off of his outing and gave up a crooked number. After throwing Bugg for 1/3rd of an inning and then bringing in Person who had a shaky outing, we then turn it over to Stallings for the better part of 4 innings.
My question is if you're willing to extend Stallings almost 4 solid IP, then why did we hesitate and/or leave Poche out there to twist in the 7th? The decisions on their faces don't seem to make sense to me.
Were you trying to spare your bullpen in the 7th? Then why throw two guys for a combined 1.1IP and then let your closer extend out to 3.2?
Why not bring in the closer to start with? You brought in Bugg to get out of the 7th, so it wasn't a situational lefty vs lefty, righty vs righty matchup decision.
I just want to get some clarity here as to why we make the moves that we do with our pitching staff. Because when I add them up they seem to not make sense. With Mainieri being a super-detail oriented guy who manages a lot like a MLB ballclub is handled, I still don't see the logic behind the decisions Friday.
Can someone help me with those? I don't profess to be an inside-baseball type. But I want to make sense of why we left the starter to twist, then ran through two others in quick succession and then extended our closer way out.
My question is if you're willing to extend Stallings almost 4 solid IP, then why did we hesitate and/or leave Poche out there to twist in the 7th? The decisions on their faces don't seem to make sense to me.
Were you trying to spare your bullpen in the 7th? Then why throw two guys for a combined 1.1IP and then let your closer extend out to 3.2?
Why not bring in the closer to start with? You brought in Bugg to get out of the 7th, so it wasn't a situational lefty vs lefty, righty vs righty matchup decision.
I just want to get some clarity here as to why we make the moves that we do with our pitching staff. Because when I add them up they seem to not make sense. With Mainieri being a super-detail oriented guy who manages a lot like a MLB ballclub is handled, I still don't see the logic behind the decisions Friday.
Can someone help me with those? I don't profess to be an inside-baseball type. But I want to make sense of why we left the starter to twist, then ran through two others in quick succession and then extended our closer way out.
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:22 am to GFunk
This was discussed ad nauseam on Friday.
Nobody knows.
Nobody knows.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:25 am to GFunk
quote:
I just want to get some clarity
We all want that.
Mainieri was in a "funk".
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:29 am to GFunk
quote:You aren't remembering this correctly. Person retired all 3 batters he faced, striking out 2. Makes it even more perplexing that he brought in stallings to replace him.
then bringing in Person who had a shaky outing,
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:31 am to GFunk
Paul. Mainieri.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:32 am to GFunk
This much is a fact, because it has been proven for the last 9 years:
Paul Mainieri does not anticipate that the pitcher in the game will falter/tire. He rarely has a pitcher getting ready in the pen "in case" a rally start. Due to this lack of foresight, many pitchers are left on the mound for 2-3 batters more than they should be because relief pitchers are not yet ready.
For 9 years this has been happening.
Paul Mainieri does not anticipate that the pitcher in the game will falter/tire. He rarely has a pitcher getting ready in the pen "in case" a rally start. Due to this lack of foresight, many pitchers are left on the mound for 2-3 batters more than they should be because relief pitchers are not yet ready.
For 9 years this has been happening.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:35 am to GFunk
It made sense for Poche to come back for the 7th, his pitch count was really good through 6 and he looked solid until the 7th. That said, he was left in at least 2 batters too long. It was too close to not have someone at least warming up for a potential breakdown.
I didn't like bringing in Stallings in a non-save situation. It felt like CPM just assumed we would score, and followed the usual "Person in the 8th, Stallings in the 9th" pattern hoping it would work out. Unfortunately, we didn't score.
I didn't like bringing in Stallings in a non-save situation. It felt like CPM just assumed we would score, and followed the usual "Person in the 8th, Stallings in the 9th" pattern hoping it would work out. Unfortunately, we didn't score.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:36 am to GFunk
Mainieri screwed the pooch Friday night, being brutally honest he just didn't handle his pitchers in the same light that has brought him success the past few years.
He left Poche in way too long and gambled on LSU scoring in every bottom half that Stallings threw.
He definently learned from his mistake Friday...it cost LSU the game Sunday.
Moving forward the back end bullpen guys need to have a set role, let them pitch their inning against anyone they face without worrying if they'll be yanked if they walk or give up a hit.
He left Poche in way too long and gambled on LSU scoring in every bottom half that Stallings threw.
He definently learned from his mistake Friday...it cost LSU the game Sunday.
Moving forward the back end bullpen guys need to have a set role, let them pitch their inning against anyone they face without worrying if they'll be yanked if they walk or give up a hit.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:56 am to GFunk
No matter who's pitching, if the starter is still in at the beginning of the 7th, we should have Person, Bugg or somebody at least loosening up in the pen. Just. In. Case. If the starter stays solid, fine. If he starts to struggle, he shouldn't have to face more than a batter or two before relief comes in.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 11:26 am to GFunk
quote:
My question is if you're willing to extend Stallings almost 4 solid IP, then why did we hesitate and/or leave Poche out there to twist in the 7th? The decisions on their faces don't seem to make sense to me.
Stallings hasn't been able to bounce back. So, once you put him out there for 2 innings...you probably are done for the weekend anyway.
That wasn't a decision Mainieri was willing to make in the 7th with a lead. However, apparently, he wasn't willing to put anyone else in there in the 10th.
The real question about Stallings was whether your roll him out there in a tie game.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 11:58 am to GFunk
Without reading through all the responses, here is my theory on what happened with regard to Stallings.
Winning the first game of a series is critical. It is very hard to win the last two games to win the series. LSU had to do this vs. Arkansas.
I believe that Maneiri put in Stallings gambling that LSU would score a run in the bottom half to win the game. But LSU didn't. So he gambled another inning with Stallings. And again LSU did not score.
By then, Maneiri was committed to Stallings. He wanted this Friday night game badly. So he kept riding Stallings for 4 innings and he got bit in the arse for it since he burned Stallings for the remaining 2 games.
It would not have been so bad if LSU had won the game. Losing the game made it that much worse. But Maneiri brought it upon himself in one instance by not bunting with runners on first and second with no outs. Bregman brought it upon Maneiri when he was hit by the grounder hit by Hale.
And I want to reassure everyone that the no bunting argument is NOT hindsight. I was telling Maneiri into the TV to bunt for the entire at bat. It was an easy decision! Maneiri had the exact same situation a couple of games prior to Friday's game and he chose not to bunt then either. And again it did not work out. It will be interesting to see what he does if this situation comes up again.
Winning the first game of a series is critical. It is very hard to win the last two games to win the series. LSU had to do this vs. Arkansas.
I believe that Maneiri put in Stallings gambling that LSU would score a run in the bottom half to win the game. But LSU didn't. So he gambled another inning with Stallings. And again LSU did not score.
By then, Maneiri was committed to Stallings. He wanted this Friday night game badly. So he kept riding Stallings for 4 innings and he got bit in the arse for it since he burned Stallings for the remaining 2 games.
It would not have been so bad if LSU had won the game. Losing the game made it that much worse. But Maneiri brought it upon himself in one instance by not bunting with runners on first and second with no outs. Bregman brought it upon Maneiri when he was hit by the grounder hit by Hale.
And I want to reassure everyone that the no bunting argument is NOT hindsight. I was telling Maneiri into the TV to bunt for the entire at bat. It was an easy decision! Maneiri had the exact same situation a couple of games prior to Friday's game and he chose not to bunt then either. And again it did not work out. It will be interesting to see what he does if this situation comes up again.
This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 12:00 pm
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