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New Orleans Pelicans Issues Go Beyond Monty Williams
Posted on 1/17/15 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 1/17/15 at 1:10 pm
Good new article from MM. The first part is a Monty critique and what he thinks is fair/unfair, but as much as we've talked about Monty here, the more interesting part is what else is wrong with the team: too many low IQ, one dimensional players.
I've been very much trying to pull you guys back from the ledge that have been ready to fire Monty after every bad loss since December, but this stretch we are about to start on Monday with the Knicks is what Monty's job is riding on IMO, and if he doesn't make it out of there with enough wins, I think it will be time to pull the trigger, especially if the team already has replacements lined up that feel we need to do some serious roster reconstruction. Start blowing it up now. MM also points out if you're going to fire Monty February is better than May because it gives potential coaches more time to decide and prepare.
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There was a telling play in the 76ers loss last night where Quincy Pondexter forced his guy baseline and expected there to be help waiting for him. Quincy expected this for two reasons: 1.) Because that is the scheme the Pels run and 2.) Because he has been playing with a high IQ team for several years now, and that rotation would have been made in Memphis. Offensively, it is a lot of the same stuff, as guards often dribble into the paint with no alternative plan other than to hoist up a bad shot in traffic. There is never a cut to the rim when an off ball player notices his man standing around watching – instead that player just stands around and watches too.
And lastly, this team is chalk full of one-dimensional players. People look at the Atlanta Hawks and wonder why a roster with seemingly inferior talent can have such a superior record. Well, quite simply, they have a number of guys who can beat you in multiple ways IN ADDITION TO their specialists. The Pelicans have AD, Jrue, and a bunch of specialists. When those specialists get a match-up that is beneficial to them, they can look like quasi All-Stars, and on those nights the Pelicans usually win. But when Tyreke faces a team that protects the paint, or Ryno has a man up in his chest all night, or Asik has to guard a more mobile big man who doesn’t play next to the basket, they become non-factors. And on top of all of that, the Pelicans highest paid player isn’t even one-dimensional. There is nothing that Eric Gordon does at an elite level anymore.
I've been very much trying to pull you guys back from the ledge that have been ready to fire Monty after every bad loss since December, but this stretch we are about to start on Monday with the Knicks is what Monty's job is riding on IMO, and if he doesn't make it out of there with enough wins, I think it will be time to pull the trigger, especially if the team already has replacements lined up that feel we need to do some serious roster reconstruction. Start blowing it up now. MM also points out if you're going to fire Monty February is better than May because it gives potential coaches more time to decide and prepare.
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You look at a guy like John Calipari, and he is not going to make a quick decision at the end of the year if you fire Monty in May and Cal is already on the recruiting trail. But let him start thinking about it now. Same goes for Shaka Smart, Fred Hoiberg, and a number of top assistants around the league. Let all of them know that this job will be available in mid-April, and that Anthony Davis will sign a new contract in July that will lock him up for at least five more years.
Who wouldn’t want that job? Let them start thinking about it today. Let them get their assistants and possibly even the executives they want to work with lined up, so that they can hit the ground running the second the season ends. Because they are going to have a lot of work to do, not only with the systems they want to implement, but with the roster they want to construct. It will be an uphill battle, but you are starting with the guy most likely to be the best player on the planet over the next five years.
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Posted on 1/17/15 at 1:12 pm to TigerinATL
I'm already conceding the Raptors game.
Now if they lose to the Knicks.
Now if they lose to the Knicks.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 1:15 pm to c on z
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I'm already conceding the Raptors game.
You shouldn't. The PTAO has a lot of data to support it.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 1:19 pm to TigerinATL
Monty's a nice guy, but he's not the guy. My only concern is who will replace him when he inevitably gets fired.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 2:04 pm to Rev1897
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Monty's a nice guy, but he's not the guy. My only concern is who will replace him when he inevitably gets fired.
I think MM is right. There would be a lot of guys interested in coaching Davis.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 2:27 pm to TigerinATL
Too bad we won't hire anyone like Smart. We're going to get a retread and it'll probably be Avery Johnson
Posted on 1/17/15 at 2:27 pm to hendersonshands
Cal would be interesting
Posted on 1/17/15 at 2:36 pm to TigerinATL
So 2 guys who arent 1 dimensional, and a few guys that are 1 dimensional(i disagree).... plenty of teams win with that.
I love how over the last 10 years we've repeated this mantra, "roll players win championships"...
Danny Green blows up in the playoffs, or 36yr old Ray Allen makes some clutch shots- Oh, wellYou need a floor spacer!
Tyson Chandler helps Dallas win a title, OH, you need a defensive big!!
Manu Ginobili takes over his 6th man role, Oh, you need a guard that can get into the paint and score in bunches off the bench, blah blah blah, and we get all these, and now all of a sudden it's a curse?
McNamara is talking out of his arse as usual. Just this offseason he tweeted everyday how he wanted PJ Tucker. "Cause he can hit a corner 3 and play defense!!!".... I mean frick... Can you get any more 1 dimensional clamoring for a player that can only hit a corner 3?. Now he's going to say it's not Monty's fault?
Anderson may be just a shooter, but he is also 6'10'. Now that isn't a by-the-book dimension, but it makes him a little more than a 1 dimensional player.
Evans as well, we know he cant shoot. But he is a good passer, and also a good rebounder for his position. The problem is, he just shoots too much. That is on the coach to get into his head. Him creating shots, rather than taking shots, makes Ryan Anderson & other players better overall.
As for Asik, we have enough offense for him to just do what he does well.
Ive said this for a while. Evans is the key. If he can't buy in, we'll never win shite. There is no way he should have as much free reign as he has. IF he isn't corralled, then we will go no where. He thinks he's the best player on the team, and some nights he is, but truth is over 82 games, he's our 3rd, maybe 4th best player.
I love how over the last 10 years we've repeated this mantra, "roll players win championships"...
Danny Green blows up in the playoffs, or 36yr old Ray Allen makes some clutch shots- Oh, wellYou need a floor spacer!
Tyson Chandler helps Dallas win a title, OH, you need a defensive big!!
Manu Ginobili takes over his 6th man role, Oh, you need a guard that can get into the paint and score in bunches off the bench, blah blah blah, and we get all these, and now all of a sudden it's a curse?
McNamara is talking out of his arse as usual. Just this offseason he tweeted everyday how he wanted PJ Tucker. "Cause he can hit a corner 3 and play defense!!!".... I mean frick... Can you get any more 1 dimensional clamoring for a player that can only hit a corner 3?. Now he's going to say it's not Monty's fault?
Anderson may be just a shooter, but he is also 6'10'. Now that isn't a by-the-book dimension, but it makes him a little more than a 1 dimensional player.
Evans as well, we know he cant shoot. But he is a good passer, and also a good rebounder for his position. The problem is, he just shoots too much. That is on the coach to get into his head. Him creating shots, rather than taking shots, makes Ryan Anderson & other players better overall.
As for Asik, we have enough offense for him to just do what he does well.
Ive said this for a while. Evans is the key. If he can't buy in, we'll never win shite. There is no way he should have as much free reign as he has. IF he isn't corralled, then we will go no where. He thinks he's the best player on the team, and some nights he is, but truth is over 82 games, he's our 3rd, maybe 4th best player.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 2:52 pm to TigerinATL
I think a big problem is that there is confusion with the players as to what exactly their roles are.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:15 pm to Lester Earl
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2 guys who arent 1 dimensional, and a few guys that are 1 dimensional(i disagree).... plenty of teams win with that.
Have an upvote
The Hawks have plenty of specialists. So does OKC. And PHX. And Detroit. And many other teams that have success.
Coaching is supposed to highlight strengths and limit weaknesses. That ain't happening with Monty.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:27 pm to Lester Earl
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that was spot mf'n on
that was spot mf'n on
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:40 pm to TigerinATL
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Quincy expected this for two reasons: 1.) Because that is the scheme the Pels run and 2.) Because he has been playing with a high IQ team for several years now, and that rotation would have been made in Memphis. Offensively, it is a lot of the same stuff, as guards often dribble into the paint with no alternative plan other than to hoist up a bad shot in traffic. There is never a cut to the rim when an off ball player notices his man standing around watching – instead that player just stands around and watches too.
I guess MM can try to argue this as low IQ, but this just sounds like shitty coaching to me.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:40 pm to TigerinATL
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Because he has been playing with a high IQ team for several years now, and that rotation would have been made in Memphis.
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Fred Hoiberg
Would make a very good NBA coach imo. They run more NBA stuff than anyone in CBB.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 5:02 pm to TigerinATL
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There is nothing that Eric Gordon does at an elite level anymore
This is an unfair statement. Eric Gordon is one of the multi-dimensional players we have. He may not be elite at any skill, but he is above-average at several. McNamara will always let his Gordon hate come through, though.
I do agree about all of the one-D players we rely on. Tyreke and Anderson are basically textbook cases.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 5:07 pm to Nof603
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I guess MM can try to argue this as low IQ, but this just sounds like shitty coaching to me.
MM has become a coach sympathizer since he became a HS coach a few years ago. I guess he realized the players don't always do what you tell them to do. I'm sure players are hard to deal with, but that's the coach's job, and when you see these things repeatedly happen you either need a new system or new players, or possibly both.
The year we had CP3 and Mike Malone, the defense was top 10. We haven't sniffed the top 10 since and the last 2 years have been bottom 5 even though he finally got the defensive center he's been wanting this year.
But like I said, we've talked the Monty issue to death on this board and we're all pretty much in agreement. The more interesting question is do we need to move 2 of Gordon/Ryno/Tyreke/Asik, or can this roster work with an MLE level addition and the right coach?
I'm on the fence on all 4 of those guys, but I have to think a better coach and starting the season with the current roster changes things dramatically and we'd be right in the middle of the playoff pack. Is there a coach that can break Tyreke of his bad habits? Can we find a coach that can do a better job of hiding the deficiencies of Ryno and Asik while allowing their above average strengths to shine? The question on Gordon isn't so much coaching as it is health. I think you probably get the most value out of Gordon by trading him at the deadline next year. And because you're stuck with Gordon I think you don't blow things up this offseason. I do wonder if it'd be better to go after Koufos than resign Asik, but outside of that I think hiring the right GM/Coach is the most important decision to make.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 5:08 pm to CQQ
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Cal would be interesting
I wouldn't really like the hire. Cal isn't really known as a great game coach. He gets by with superior talent, which he won't have in the NBA.
He didn't even maximize AD's talents at UK.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 5:13 pm to Nof603
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I guess MM can try to argue this as low IQ, but this just sounds like shitty coaching to me.
Tyreke absolutely has a low bball IQ and it has nothing to do with Monty. Anderson is slow and plays flat-footed. Gordon shows the best understanding of the game.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 5:35 pm to TigerinATL
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Can we find a coach that can do a better job of hiding the deficiencies of Ryno and Asik while allowing their above average strengths to shine?
Yes. Anderson played on top 10 defenses in Orlando. Asik played on a top 10 offense in Houston and anchored a league average defense with far worse defensive talent on hand than in NO. That's at least 2 coaches, one of whom is not highly regarded.
I don't find MM convincing here. Who was talking about the high IQ of many of the guys on the Hawks before Bud got there and installed his system last year? How is Korver's role fundamentally different from Anderson's? Or Teague from Evans? Carroll, Sefalosha, Scott, Antic, Schroeder are all fairly one dimensional; the difference there is those guys have been given a context that is lacking in NO.
Bud ran the same stuff last year with his MASH unit and they were awesome to watch even though they lost often. I've never gotten the sense Monty has installed much of system or philosophy in 5 years. That is a problem, regardless of talent on hand. Even the Sixers have an ethos; something they're building to.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 8:44 pm to corndeaux
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Yes. Anderson played on top 10 defenses in Orlando. Asik played on a top 10 offense in Houston and anchored a league average defense with far worse defensive talent on hand than in NO. That's at least 2 coaches, one of whom is not highly regarded.
That really seems to be all that needs to be said on this issue. Yes Ryno is in a bit of a slump, but he shouldn't have to average 20 ppg to be a net positive. This team is highlighting the worst aspects some players high end talents. Joe blowing it up won't help and I don't think Avery will either.
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