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Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:46 am to AutoYes_Clown
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I have to believe that the pressure to bring home birds has a lot to do with people taking a chance at passing birds.
This.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 11:19 am to gorillacoco
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As a third year duck hunter, only this year have I started having any regular success with getting ducks to come into the decoys. I still shoot probably half of my ducks when they're flying overhead or making a close pass instead of waiting for them to come into the dekes. (When I don't take these shots, they often don't come in). Let me reiterate that I rarely take a shot past 30 yds unless it is a follow up shot on a wounded duck. Do you guys not take these passing shots? Do you take shots at wood ducks fly-bys? Forgive my inexperience. I do agree that the most beautiful shots I have taken are on ducks just frozen in mid air trying to land in the decoys. I just don't get those shots too often.
Gorilla
In my very early years, it took me some time also to decoy ducks with some regularity. It is a learning process....how to set up the dekes, when to call, when not to call, etc.
Don't get me wrong. The ducks don't always decoy...in fact, I may only get 2 or 3 out of 10 groups to decoy. But at least I did not sky bust at them so that the next day I may have a chance at them. Sky busting only teaches the ducks to stay high or be very wary.
I always try to decoy the ducks initially. After several minutes of circling and passes and it looks like it is not going to happen, I may take a shot IF IT IS A GOOD PASS. So 30 - 35 yard shots are fine for this. If I lose the group, then we live to fight another day.
I am talking about the ridiculous sky busting shots. Those that are made at passing ducks at 50 yards or higher without any effort to decoy. You would not believe the sky bust shots I have witnessed. Even if they hit a bird, it will be a cripple and mostly likely not be recovered. And the sky busting shots in the distance seems to ALWAYS occur when I am trying to work a group. Of course, the ducks will flare and fly off.
So eliminating skybusting helps you and other hunters have better success to decoy the ducks throughout the season and reduces lost cripples which I hate.
Patience is a virtue. That is being lost on our society. There is no pressure to bring back a limit of birds with every hunt. There is no shame in being skunked. I would much rather have less hunts with the thrill of shooting at decoying ducks. There is no thrill in sky busting.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 11:26 am to tkr1407
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Also, everyone else was doing it, so it's ok. Right?
Congrats on being part of the problem. Perfect example of the "gotta pull the trigger" mentality, and unfortunately lots of people think this way. Especially those that hunt public land
Posted on 1/14/15 at 11:35 am to Canard Gris
I'm hoping to get into duck hunting more in the following years, but man, reading this thread makes me want to part of it. So much negativity. Is it really that bad out there?
I'm used to deer hunting public land and I'm used to other hunters, but it's never really been an issue for me. Is it really that much worse duck hunting? I could never imagine pulling up on someone and deciding to set up shop right next to them. I think I read on another site what when asked to leave, trespassers threw beer cans in the water and hauled arse.
If it's so bad out there, why does everyone do it.
(Never watched an episode of Duck Dynasty, don't care about the social media or bragging... I'm just getting burnt out on deer hunting and want to give something else a try.)
I'm used to deer hunting public land and I'm used to other hunters, but it's never really been an issue for me. Is it really that much worse duck hunting? I could never imagine pulling up on someone and deciding to set up shop right next to them. I think I read on another site what when asked to leave, trespassers threw beer cans in the water and hauled arse.
If it's so bad out there, why does everyone do it.
(Never watched an episode of Duck Dynasty, don't care about the social media or bragging... I'm just getting burnt out on deer hunting and want to give something else a try.)
Posted on 1/14/15 at 11:37 am to Canard Gris
Nothing pisses me off more than the sports I hunt with say, we shoulda of took those after the ducks are exiting my area without a shot. I tell em we might of killed one or two. And those would probably been crippled, so my dog can't get em, and now I have to go chase em. I tell em if you can't see the colors, you shouldn't shoot em. Even on cloudy days where its hard to distinguish, I don't shoot unless I think it's damn sure a kill shot. I you get 3-4 groups of 4 or more in right. Your gonna kill, with 3 hunters in the blind, 3/4 ducks per group. If you do this, you only need 6 bunches or less, and you all bust out.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 11:43 am to DownSouthDave
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I'm hoping to get into duck hunting more in the following years, but man, reading this thread makes me want to part of it. So much negativity. Is it really that bad out there?
I'm used to deer hunting public land and I'm used to other hunters, but it's never really been an issue for me. Is it really that much worse duck hunting? I could never imagine pulling up on someone and deciding to set up shop right next to them. I think I read on another site what when asked to leave, trespassers threw beer cans in the water and hauled arse.
If it's so bad out there, why does everyone do it.
(Never watched an episode of Duck Dynasty, don't care about the social media or bragging... I'm just getting burnt out on deer hunting and want to give something else a try.)
Yes, in some places it really is that bad out there. Is it possible to get away from the topwaters and have enjoyable hunts? Yes, it just takes some thinking, equipment, and lots of money and time.
As to why does everyone do it, I really have no clue other than the typical responses already discussed: cool thing to do, lots of fun, very social hunting environment, and driven by the money machine...
I can tell you one thing for certain, if I was a hardcore public land duck hunter it certainly would not be in south LA
Posted on 1/14/15 at 11:53 am to DownSouthDave
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So much negativity. Is it really that bad out there?
No, some people can't handle change and think the sport is theirs, hence the constant bitching about it. There are PLENTY of birds to go around. Sure there is some unethical stuff going on, but that's a common denominator in most things in life. Just do your part to make it better and it will all be okay.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 11:54 am to VernonPLSUfan
Im just gonn jump in here and say nana nana boo boo.
Not every one hunts pit blinds in rice fields, or costal marsh in sportsman's paradise.
Hunting is a sport and a GOd given right for everyone and if you don't like the way I do it, stay the heck off my property.
The in fighting is just silly
Killed this am before 8.
7 shells fired, only one was setting down in deeks. A GW teal crashed down in the pasture behind the dam and was unrecovered despite searching.
Not every one hunts pit blinds in rice fields, or costal marsh in sportsman's paradise.
Hunting is a sport and a GOd given right for everyone and if you don't like the way I do it, stay the heck off my property.
The in fighting is just silly
Killed this am before 8.
7 shells fired, only one was setting down in deeks. A GW teal crashed down in the pasture behind the dam and was unrecovered despite searching.
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 11:56 am to Canard Gris
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Canard Gris
Man.. I think your sarcasm meter is broken.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:13 pm to tkr1407
I'll tell y'all a story
Earlier this year I was hunting geese in a big white spread. 4 of us were in layouts. The wind was off direction by what they called for so the birds weren't finishing where I hoped. By 9:30 we had about half our limit of specs. I had made the decision not to call the shot at a few groups (50yards or so) and I could tell the guys were kind of aggravated.
Bout that time we get a big group of blues and snows to look at us. They're flipping, circling, losing altitude fast. We got these bastards. Then out of nowhere a group of about a dozen specs fly about 10 yards over us straight from behind. Never heard them for a second. "Wait wait wait wait" I'm saying in between calling. BOOM. They bank. 180. Coming right at us. Feet down. Necks craned. They're yodeling. Pop pop pop pop. Specs down.
Took me too many seasons to get to that point. Patience pays off people.
Earlier this year I was hunting geese in a big white spread. 4 of us were in layouts. The wind was off direction by what they called for so the birds weren't finishing where I hoped. By 9:30 we had about half our limit of specs. I had made the decision not to call the shot at a few groups (50yards or so) and I could tell the guys were kind of aggravated.
Bout that time we get a big group of blues and snows to look at us. They're flipping, circling, losing altitude fast. We got these bastards. Then out of nowhere a group of about a dozen specs fly about 10 yards over us straight from behind. Never heard them for a second. "Wait wait wait wait" I'm saying in between calling. BOOM. They bank. 180. Coming right at us. Feet down. Necks craned. They're yodeling. Pop pop pop pop. Specs down.
Took me too many seasons to get to that point. Patience pays off people.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:33 pm to jimbeam
I've seen blame on Duck Dynasty a few times but do they even really discuss actual duck hunting much in the show? I'm not a duck hunter but had a friend growing up that was and still is a huge one. We are mid 30s and his dad brought him up doing it from a real young age. He used to win all kinds of calling contests to the point he was a judge by junior high. We strictly hunted public land and would get a lot of kills compared to everyone else hunting for the most part. Once we got older and moved to separate cities I quit duck hunting because I have no freaking clue what I'm doing, plus Im a cheap hunter to begin with and duck hunting can be expensive.
I do recall we used old worn out waiters, shotgun without whatever choke people use for duck hunting, and very few decoys, all of them cheap and he would still have us on lots of ducks. Nearly 20 years later he is still duck hunting and uses same old gun, same old waiters, and most of his decoys are same ones. He said he still uses same calls. Lots of people now seems like spend a buttload of $ on duck hunting and act way to serious about it with all the bumper stickers and I e even seen tattoos about it . Really not sure the point of my post. I am tempted to shoot some wood ducks sometimes near creeks while deer or squirrel hunting. Not while hunting deer or squirrel but coming back another day. Just don't wanna buy frick liscence just for a few woodies.
I do recall we used old worn out waiters, shotgun without whatever choke people use for duck hunting, and very few decoys, all of them cheap and he would still have us on lots of ducks. Nearly 20 years later he is still duck hunting and uses same old gun, same old waiters, and most of his decoys are same ones. He said he still uses same calls. Lots of people now seems like spend a buttload of $ on duck hunting and act way to serious about it with all the bumper stickers and I e even seen tattoos about it . Really not sure the point of my post. I am tempted to shoot some wood ducks sometimes near creeks while deer or squirrel hunting. Not while hunting deer or squirrel but coming back another day. Just don't wanna buy frick liscence just for a few woodies.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:38 pm to windshieldman
The license will cost the same as store bought dinner, but will taste MUCH better. Get them woodies baw!
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:44 pm to Bleeding purple
That's a hell of a mixed bag.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:44 pm to PapaPogey
I agree but I got coworkers that kill them for me I've got 4 kids and spend enough time away from home deer hunting
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:44 pm to PapaPogey
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No, some people can't handle change and think the sport is theirs, hence the constant bitching about it. There are PLENTY of birds to go around. Sure there is some unethical stuff going on, but that's a common denominator in most things in life. Just do your part to make it better and it will all be okay.
well said. Never saw so many people bitch about something that can be and should be a pleasure regardless of how many birds they harvest.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:45 pm to windshieldman
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20 years later
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same old waiters
No way....
"waders" btw.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:46 pm to tigerinthebueche
quote:this is exactly the point im trying to make
a pleasure regardless of how many birds they harvest
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:48 pm to jimbeam
I think too much emphasis is placed on numbers, and specifically limits. I love a limit as much as anyone, but because it indicates a good day with a lot of birds coming in.
I've had several good hunts this year with only 2-4 birds. They worked in great, responded to call, dropped the flaps and came right in. New dog performed great. Those are the good parts whether I get 3 or 6 per man.
A lot of my friends can tell you exactly how many were killed out of their blind, etc. Nothing at all wrong with counting, but to some it's like keeping score. Taking a chance on breaking a wing makes more sense when the success of your hunt is measured almost entirely by getting 6 birds instead of 4, rather than by how well they worked and other such things.
I've had several good hunts this year with only 2-4 birds. They worked in great, responded to call, dropped the flaps and came right in. New dog performed great. Those are the good parts whether I get 3 or 6 per man.
A lot of my friends can tell you exactly how many were killed out of their blind, etc. Nothing at all wrong with counting, but to some it's like keeping score. Taking a chance on breaking a wing makes more sense when the success of your hunt is measured almost entirely by getting 6 birds instead of 4, rather than by how well they worked and other such things.
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