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re: Good teachers want to teach in good schools
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:47 am to Zach
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:47 am to Zach
I teach in a "good" school. It is nice to be in a place where the teachers and students have the same goals. The students want to be prepared for college and the teachers want to prepare the kids for college.
Lazy, stupid teachers don't last very long.
Lazy, stupid teachers don't last very long.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:49 am to bird35
But that's not fair to the poor, the stupid and the unmotivated. They need the very best teachers so that everyone can be equal.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:58 am to Zach
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But that's not fair to the poor, the stupid and the unmotivated. They need the very best teachers so that everyone can be equal.
You know, I had a gut feeling you were an idiot and that you had a shite education, but I had no evidence and I go on logic and not emotions.
But thanks for clearing it up for everyone that new Iberia puts out fools.
Here's a simple minded task - which of these is doesn't belong.
A. The poor
B. the stupid
C. The unmotivated
Being poor is not the same as the other two. They deserve just as good teachers are others.
But you are b. and couldn't really figure that out. Thought I'd help.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:01 pm to LSU0358
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A qualified/good teacher can pick where they want to teach. The only way to improve this situation is to have a substantial pay difference in lower performing schools. And I don't mean 5 to 10% (or 4 to 5,000).
I had a similar conversation with someone about this yesterday. It is so much harder working at a high poverty school.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:04 pm to mahdragonz
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But you are b. and couldn't really figure that out. Thought I'd help.
Well, I've never been called 'stupid' IRL. But my wife is convinced that I've got Alzheimers. She may be right. I keep walking into a room to do something and forget what I was there to do.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:08 pm to bird35
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I teach in a "good" school. It is nice to be in a place where the teachers and students have the same goals. The students want to be prepared for college and the teachers want to prepare the kids for college.
I've spent time in an alternative school and a "good school" during my short teaching career. To get people to teach in "bad schools" the compensation will have to be higher to attract quality teachers.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:18 pm to Zach
My girlfriend is an elementary teacher at a minority majority, impoverished, rural elementary school outside of Baton Rouge. She tells me how several of their other teachers graduated college with a low GPA with a degree totally unrelated to education. And some of these have failed sections of the Praxis multiple times but are still allowed to teach with a waiver simply because they can't find anyone qualified who is willing to teach there. My girlfriend went to a private school and it has been quite the culture shock to say the least.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:21 pm to tysonslefthook
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And some of these have failed sections of the Praxis multiple times but are still allowed to teach with a waiver simply because they can't find anyone qualified who is willing to teach there.
Exactly. This is what I meant with the 'warm body' comment. You have to have someone in the class room whether or not they are qualified.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:23 pm to Zach
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I was in GT classes.
i am going to guess that in s. la at the time you were in school, GT meant white kids.
not a knock on you, but that was the reality of the south up until...well now.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:30 pm to Hawkeye95
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not a knock on you, but that was the reality of the south up until...well now.
There were black kids in the GT classes at my school in the late 70's/early 80's.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:35 pm to Zach
Problem is that many of the best teachers are sent to the "elite" or top/magnet schools in the district while newer or struggling teachers get sent many times to the worse schools when it should be opposite as we need better teachers in the struggling schools/schools with discipline problems.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:35 pm to Hawkeye95
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i am going to guess that in s. la at the time you were in school, GT meant white kids.
IQ tracking started waaaay before integration. There was no such thing as Kindergarten in New Iberia in those days. I started school in 1st grade. All white Dodson Elementary school.
After two weeks I was sitting in Mrs. Moon's first grade class and Mrs. Mestoyer came over with a few kids. They traded. Like a football team. The 6 dumbest kids in my class left. The smartest 6 kids in Mrs. Mestoyer's class came in.
We started reading at hyper speed. I have no idea what they doing in the stupid class.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:39 pm to ForkEmDemons
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Problem is that many of the best teachers are sent to the "elite" or top/magnet schools in the district while newer or struggling teachers get sent many times to the worse schools when it should be opposite as we need better teachers in the struggling schools/schools with discipline problems.
Good points but there is one problem with that. Let's say you have a masters in Lit and want to teach English. Your expertise is Shakespeare. You are of no value in a bad school with students who cannot read nor write.
If you forced that kind of teacher into that situation they would burn out because they want to teach their subject.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:39 pm to Zach
quote:no
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In elite High Schools teaching is more difficult
quote:yeah. Because teaching is harder when the students know the material. Those teachers in crap schools got it so easy
there will be students in your class who know more about your subject than you do.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:46 pm to SpidermanTUba
Wassup, Tuba. Got a IRL story for you.
I was in a class with mixed kids...some stupid. The kid in front of me was name Van Kately. He was 6-2, 250. He was not into football. He played Tuba in the band. And he couldn't read.
The teacher made him read from the text book. Every time he came to a word he couldn't read I whispered into his ear the wrong pronunciation. The class laughed at him. He got irritated and picked me up said "I'm gonna blind ya". He then tried to slam my head against the ceiling...which was 7 feet and suspended so all it did was cause my head to lift the light panels.
The teacher, a fat young female idiot said: 'Van, you need to put Zach down now."
I'm still not sure how he thought this action would 'blind me.'
I was in a class with mixed kids...some stupid. The kid in front of me was name Van Kately. He was 6-2, 250. He was not into football. He played Tuba in the band. And he couldn't read.
The teacher made him read from the text book. Every time he came to a word he couldn't read I whispered into his ear the wrong pronunciation. The class laughed at him. He got irritated and picked me up said "I'm gonna blind ya". He then tried to slam my head against the ceiling...which was 7 feet and suspended so all it did was cause my head to lift the light panels.
The teacher, a fat young female idiot said: 'Van, you need to put Zach down now."
I'm still not sure how he thought this action would 'blind me.'
Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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There were black kids in the GT classes at my school in the late 70's/early 80's.
not mine. 100% white. But I was in the burbs, and my school was probably 75% white to start with.
My wife went to an GT school in LA, her entire class was white/asian except for one black girl.
this was in the 80s
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:52 pm to LSU0358
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The obvious solution is to bus kids from affluent areas to the poorer schools...
works everytime. That's why they keep doing it!
Posted on 12/23/14 at 4:37 pm to mahdragonz
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Here's a simple minded task - which of these is doesn't belong.
A. The poor
B. the stupid
C. The unmotivated
Being poor is not the same as the other two. They deserve just as good teachers are others.
Hate to break it to you, but
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The poor
has a high percentage of
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B. the stupid.
C. The unmotivated
Which is why it belongs in that list. Unfortunately, the unmotivated can be directly attributed to shitty parenting in a majority of cases. Also the "stupid" students in many cases can also be victims of shitty parents not helping them at home. Most kids if given attention can learn, it's just getting through behavior issues, home issues, and culture issues to get them to want to learn.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 4:47 pm to FT
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It seems like lazy teachers would want to teach in good schools.
Hate to say this so close to Christmas....but you are a stupid frick who doesn't know what he's talking about. Go crawl back under your rock and stay there!!!!!
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 5:11 pm to Zach
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Good points but there is one problem with that. Let's say you have a masters in Lit and want to teach English. Your expertise is Shakespeare. You are of no value in a bad school with students who cannot read nor write.
If you forced that kind of teacher into that situation they would burn out because they want to teach their subject.
I also agree with that.
I'm referring more to the fact that proven, capable and experienced teachers are sent to schools were teaching is not very difficult because they are teaching hand-picked students who want to learn.
Meanwhile the same school districts send beginning and struggling teachers to the worse schools and are many times eaten up alive because they don't have the experience or skill to deal with that type of situation.
It leads to many young teachers simply giving up way too early and tired of fighting every step of the way. I was in education for 6 years. I was tired of teaching in schools and getting zero support from the administration. For the pay and headache it wasn't worth it.
I taught social studies and had a principal tell the students before the school year that "You must pass Math and English on the LEAP, you do not have to pass social studies to advance to high school". It was at a failing school and literally killed me before the year started.
I witnessed many very capable young teachers give up after a year or two because of things like that. When there is better money to be made elsewhere with less headache there is little reason to stay in education.
I also won't claim I was the worlds best teach either as I'll admit I had a great deal to improve on. I will say that I worked my arse off to try and improve and be the best teacher I could.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 5:13 pm
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