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re: Fergusons famed and reliable "witness 40"--
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:08 pm to StrongSafety
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:08 pm to StrongSafety
quote:To be crystal clear, here is Ferguson's famed and reliable "witness"
Fergusons famed and reliable "witness
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:08 pm to novabill
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but I also believe that Brown tried to give himself up before the last shots were fired.
Based up ....?
Let's be honest here. He believes that for one reason and one reason only.
Well. Two.
1)The race of the cop
2)Brown's race
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:08 pm to ShortyRob
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I mean, did you wake up from a 40 year COMA yesterday?
I'm thinking y'all must have if you missed the whole embrace of "thug life" by black rappers and the corresponding association that word came to have with black people and the way many white people now use it.
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You replace the word "thug" with any other word designed to describe the same thing and in about a millisecond, your new way of articulating it will be referred to as "code".
Again, I understand that it's a bad thing to define racism down like this. It's just not the worst thing. The worst thing is that my South Louisiana town, like so many parts of the South, is falling apart and a big reason for that is that blacks and whites distrust each other. Instead of getting better, it is getting worse. I can't do much about it, but I can at least stop acting in ways that seem racist to my neighbors when it doesn't hurt me to do so.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:09 pm to novabill
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Based up ....?
Based on the account of the two WHITE landscape workers who were serependitously recorded discussing the shooting right after it happened. Those are the most credible witnesses of the incident IMO.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:10 pm to uway
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What kind of person calls other people pieces of shite? Brown doesn't deserve that. Your language is divisive and irresponsible.
It's also not a certainty that Wilson was just protecting himself at the time he fired the fatal shots.
I hope I'm reading the proper amount of sarcasm into this.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:11 pm to uway
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I know, because they think we are racist. Both because "racism" has been defined down and because many of us actually are.
How do you define racism? I would like to find out if I am racist or not.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:11 pm to ShortyRob
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Let's be honest here. He believes that for one reason and one reason only.
Well. Two.
1)The race of the cop
2)Brown's race
There you go projecting again. I guess Angry White Guys like yourself can't help but assume that everybody else is as racist as you are.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:12 pm to uway
quote:So because blacks have used a word to describe other blacks in a certain way, it's stricken from my lexicon?
I'm thinking y'all must have if you missed the whole embrace of "thug life" by black rappers and the corresponding association that word came to have with black people and the way many white people now use it.
And again, if you think me using another word is going to stop blacks from saying my new word is "code", you have been in a 40 year coma.
quote:It's not bad. It's just incorrect and won't work.
Again, I understand that it's a bad thing to define racism down like this. It's just not the worst thing.
quote:You will fail. The problem isn't you, it's the mindset of those who assume you are racist by default because of your skin color. The ONLY way you'll succeed will not be if you stop using words like "thug". Rather, you will have to stop saying anything negative about blacks at all. The word isn't the problem.
I can't do much about it, but I can at least stop acting in ways that seem racist to my neighbors when it doesn't hurt me to do so.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:13 pm to uway
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I would liked to have not seen conservative white America (my people iow) react to this whole story in such a predictable way, basically just seeing it as another opportunity to confirm their preexisting biases. Also wasted an opportunity to talk about police tactics.
The race pimps wasted an opportunity to talk about police tactics. They made it into solely a black/white issue and narrative.
I would have loved for it to be a discussion on policing. Especially the issue of small township police forces, revenue and St. Louis county. We all know that's a problem here.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:13 pm to trackfan
quote:Well, you have literally NO OTHER REASON for this "belief". So, what else do you expect?
There you go projecting again. I guess Angry White Guys like yourself can't help but assume that everybody else is as racist as you are.
quote:Told you it was a matter of time before you called me a racist again.
assume that everybody else is as racist as you are
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:17 pm to novabill
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If, later in the same encounter that person refuses the officer's orders and continues to approach the officer in a hostile manner, he is still a threat. Is he not?
Yes. We don't know that's what happened.
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However, the encounter did not end.
Somehow, Brown got at least 150' away from the cruiser. So it might have ended. I don't know why he stopped and turned around. Did he all of the sudden decide to obey orders? Did he run out of breath? Did he decide he wanted to kill Wilson after all instead of running away?
I don't know. I wish he had just lain on the ground after Wilson shot at him the first time. But being stupid is not necessarily a capital crime.
The fact is we don't know that Wilson had to kill him. Y'all are acting like you know, and it's a double whammy of more ammunition for guys like Sharpton and more cover for cops to kill people.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:18 pm to uway
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You could start by just not unnecessarily using any words that you think might come across as racist.
I would have never thought that Thug was considered to be racist. Was this true before the MB incident?
When someone behaves like MB, there are going to be unflattering words to describe them. Why would others of his race want to identify with that word. If they do not identify with the word, then they could not think it reflected poorly on them.
Imagine folks from LP getting upset each time they heard someone called stupid, backwoods or ignorant.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:19 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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quote:Sadly, things like this aren't surprising. The frick is this supposed to mean?
It's StrongSafety we're talking about here. The meaning is obvious: you are a fricking racist.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:19 pm to uway
quote:A lot of people seem to have literally forgotten how the justice system is supposed to work.
Yes. We don't know that's what happened.
It isn't the job of the suspect to prove THEIR story is true. It's the job of the state to prove THEIR story is true.
If you have competing "don't know for sure" stories, you have no case.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:20 pm to uway
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But being stupid is not necessarily a capital crime.
This is where you lose the argument. Fighting a cop in his car obliterates any opportunity to label it just "being stupid."
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:20 pm to trackfan
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before Brown ran and Wilson chased him.
Should the cop NOT have given chase? Is that what you are suggesting? I have heard that argument.
Imagine our world if cops were unable to chase fleeing criminals.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:22 pm to uway
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Somehow, Brown got at least 150' away from the cruiser.
It takes the average person about 1/2 a second to move 7 feet. So, it's a little over 10 seconds to get 150 feet. It's not 4 miles.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:23 pm to the808bass
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But being stupid is not necessarily a capital crime.
This is where you lose the argument.
The capital crime part is stupid too. It's a common meme and it's always dumb.
When you do stupid shite, sometimes, it results in worse results than some jury would give you.
If I start a fight with a bigger guy and he hits me in self defense just right and that punch kills me, my starting the fight wasn't a capital crime but, those things happen.
Hell, excessive speeding isn't a capital crime but, if you do it, you might die. You didn't "deserve" to die, but, your actions DID lead to it happening.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:24 pm to novabill
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I would have never thought that Thug was considered to be racist. Was this true before the MB incident?
It applies whenever the person is in a situation which people wish to frame as a racial issue.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:25 pm to ShortyRob
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So because blacks have used a word to describe other blacks in a certain way, it's stricken from my lexicon?
I could be wrong, but I don't think we used the word thug nearly as often before black people started using it as a somewhat positive descriptor.
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You will fail. The problem isn't you, it's the mindset of those who assume you are racist by default because of your skin color. The ONLY way you'll succeed will not be if you stop using words like "thug".
Maybe, but nothing else is working, and it doesn't hurt me to try as part of a broader personal initiative.
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