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re: Scarborough Is Mad As Hell And He's Not Going To Take It Anymore
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:30 pm to Hawkeye95
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:30 pm to Hawkeye95
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I am not ok with him trying to subvert the process to meet his end goals.
Good, because he didn't.
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Police should be under the same set of rules the rest of us are
Good thing they are.
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Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:33 pm to Chappy
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I can't believe that we have people arguing that the DA should have acted unethically just to get an indictment.
This is the problem Hawkeye isn't getting.
Under normal circumstances, a DA actually thinks it's likely his perp is guilty and can be convicted. Hence, he goes into a GJ trying to "win" because, well, he thinks he has the goods.
If he doesn't have the goods, this makes that approach exceedingly challenging. SOME DAs have acted this way in the past. Look at the DA in the Duke rape case. He KNEW his case was shite but went after the guys anyways. Ya know, he was UNethical.
That's what Hawkeye wanted to happen here. It's amazing!!!!
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:33 pm to Hawkeye95
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Mccullough takes it to the grand jury and follows standard process
Standard process, this would of never went to grand jury, because Mccullough new it wouldn't of been indicted and in now way could ever get a conviction based on the facts.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:39 pm to ShortyRob
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Nah. I think if a DA gets a case where fully half of the BLACK witnesses are generally supporting the story told by the cop, he knows he's got a shite show for a case.
As to any other examples. Even if both parties were black, or white, or no cops were involved, if you've got several eyewitnesses directly contradicting each other and a coroner's report that doesn't flatly rule out the perp's story, you're fricked at trial.
DAs all know that while trials by media are fun, that shite doesn't play the same in a courtroom.
But if Wilson had been acquitted at trial, it's a win-win for McCulloch: 1) The cops get their guy off, and 2) McCulloch gets to scapegoat the jury and stay out of the political fray.
EDIT: The fact that George Zimmerman was vigorously prosecuted helped to bring down the temperature in Florida, despite the fact that he was acquitted. IMO, they might have gotten a conviction if they hadn't overcharged him.
This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:41 pm to trackfan
quote:Uhm, no. He would be villified because he was not able to get a conviction on a clear cut case of murdering cop/innocent teenager. Riots.
2) McCulloch gets to scapegoat the jury...
Rodney King ring a bell?
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:45 pm to trackfan
quote:The over charge was a great example of what racial politics has done though. Had he not been charged with murder, there would've been hell to pay.
IMO, they might have gotten a conviction if they hadn't overcharged him.
quote:Perhaps, but you don't put a man through a trial when you already KNOW your case is shite just to appease a community that wants to riot. That's just a bad way to run a justice system.
But if Wilson had been acquitted at trial, it's a win-win for McCulloch: 1) The cops get their guy off, and 2) McCulloch gets to scapegoat the jury and stay out of the political fray.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:47 pm to Wolfhound45
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Uhm, no. He would be villified because he was not able to get a conviction on a clear cut case of murdering cop/innocent teenager. Riots.
Rodney King ring a bell?
I recall the jury being villified after the Rodney King verdict, and the O.J. verdict for that matter. The worst thing I've heard said about the prosecutors in cases like these was that they were incompetent.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:50 pm to trackfan
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I recall the jury being villified after the Rodney King verdict, and the O.J. verdict for that matter. The worst thing I've heard said about the prosecutors in cases like these was that they were incompetent.
Come on bro, who establishes the conditions for the jury to convict? Prosecutors. No one is going to blame the jury for failing to convict.
Those that have an emotional tie to this are not going to be satisfied with anything. It is completely irrational now.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:50 pm to Hawkeye95
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but blacks being unequally targeted by the police is a real thing.
It's pure statistics. When one small group of people commit a HUGELY disproportionate percentage of the random violent crime, of course the police are going to come in contact with them more.
Is that TARGETING???
Do black cops similarly "target" blacks simply because they're black (cops or suspects)?
And, when cops have to deal with this DAY AFTER F*CKING DAY, AFTER F*CKING DAY, you don't think that they (COPS -- both black and white) are going to form some common f*cking sense perceptions? They (both black and white cops) know where the crime is, where the danger is, and where they really need to be on guard.
Yet, once again, a liberal just can't wrap his mind around COMMON F*CKING SENSE, and attributes these interactions to "targeting".
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:53 pm to Ace Midnight
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Morning Joe is a terrible show.
Joe Scarborough is a terrible host.
This.
But let's also not forget the dead intern in his office.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:55 pm to ShortyRob
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The over charge was a great example of what racial politics has done though. Had he not been charged with murder, there would've been hell to pay.
I'm not so sure about. On the day it was announced that Zimmerman was being charged with murder, I happen to be watching Al Sharpton's show, since I knew that would be a hot topic of conversation. Sharpton seemed genuinely shocked that Zimmerman had been charged with murder and he had on a couple of legal analysts to discuss the case. The first thing he asked them was whether Zimmerman had been overcharged and whether he might walk because the prosecutor had overplayed their hand. I recall Sharpton saying that he was expecting some type of manslaughter charge.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:02 pm to Wolfhound45
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Come on bro, who establishes the conditions for the jury to convict? Prosecutors. No one is going to blame the jury for failing to convict.
Then why did the juries in the Rodney King and O.J. trials get villified?
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Those that have an emotional tie to this are not going to be satisfied with anything. It is completely irrational now.
I was talking about rational people who know that the criminal justice system is imperfect and that trials are a crapshoot, I wasn't talking about hooligans who are just looking for a reason to riot.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:05 pm to trackfan
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After his tirade this morning, MSNBC should air a no-holds-barred debate between Al Sharpton and Joe Scarborough, because it would be must-see TV. Scarborough said a lot of the same things I've said about both the Michael Brown-Darren Wilson and Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman shootings, albeit less inflammatory language, though I'm sure most of the folks here won't appreciate his take on Martin-Zimmerman. Here's the video link:
I am watching the video, one thing I do disagree so far as that he said the Republicans made Zimmerman some kind of hero but "he was thug" and shouldn't have followed Traybov
Well, I'd like to ask Scarborough if he has had 50 911 calls in his neighborhood over the past 12 months? Furthermore, if he saw a black kid in a hoodie if he wouldn't be suspicious?
Well, I dare say we all would, the fact is Trayvon was a Thug if there every was one...
He didn't like authority, teachers, principals, parents or Zimmerman following him either.. So he struck first just like our punk Mr. Brown
No difference, so no need to go off on Republicans to look like he is being indifferent.
Same tune different day
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:21 pm to ApexTiger
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I am watching the video, one thing I do disagree so far as that he said the Republicans made Zimmerman some kind of hero but "he was thug" and shouldn't have followed Traybov
Have you seen Zimmerman's rap sheet? Why do you think he was rejected when he applied to be a cop?
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Well, I'd like to ask Scarborough if he has had 50 911 calls in his neighborhood over the past 12 months? Furthermore, if he saw a black kid in a hoodie if he wouldn't be suspicious?
Well, I dare say we all would,
So since you're a racist, you presume that Scarborough and all other White people are too?
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the fact is Trayvon was a Thug if there every was one...
He didn't like authority, teachers, principals, parents or Zimmerman following him either.. So he struck first just like our punk Mr. Brown
No difference, so no need to go off on Republicans to look like he is being indifferent.
Same tune different day
The fact that you see no difference between Martin and Brown speaks volumes about you. Next you'll tell me that Sasha and Malia Obama are Black thug teenagers who deserve a bullet between the eyes.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:23 pm to trackfan
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recall Sharpton saying that he was expecting some type of manslaughter charge.
Pretty sure the jury was free to consider lesser charges.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:23 pm to Hawkeye95
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If he is going to fall to political pressure to present to a grand jury, he should do so in a manner consistent with other grand jury inquiries.
Not go outside the normal process. The variation from the normal process irritates me.
Please, prog warrior of social justice....
Describe how a "normal" grand jury proceeds.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:25 pm to trackfan
The difference isn't as radical as you pretend. Both weren't scared to fight adults and both participated in a fight with adults where the adults feared for their lives.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:36 pm to trackfan
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The fact that you see no difference between Martin and Brown speaks volumes about you. Next you'll tell me that Sasha and Malia Obama are Black thug teenagers who deserve a bullet between the eyes.
the fact that you can't tells me you have lousy judgement of people. Or you just are ignorant of the facts of the case or choose to ignore them, or you choose to believe something contrary to facts. I actually studied both cases...they are the same.. Black criminal thug doesn't like being followed, questioned or made accountable for the actions, strikes white guy and gets killed. one is cop the other is a neighborhood watch person with permit to carry.
I don't know if you are black or white, it doesn't matter
If your community had 50 calls for break ins and every single one of them but 2 were identified as young black boys..and you see a kid walking between houses in the dark with a hoodie, you are telling me, you don't think twice about "profiling" That's BS!
Zimmerman called the cops and waited until they showed
His mistake was making it obvious that he was keeping him in sight until they arrived
Trayvon, liked to fight as indicated by his social media, he initiated verbally and then hit Zimmerman and he ended with gun in self defense while laying on his back with head bashed in
Zimmerman was a resident, Trayvon was not...He was at best a visitor of a visitor. Thus Zimmerman was correct "I have never seen him before".."acting suspicious"
No reason to die, but still, you don't starting beating residents up and expect it to go well... It's just stupid arrogance
There is no difference in these cases.. both ginned up by the media by making the white guy the villain
the justice system ran it's course, the facts brought forward and ended up being different that what AA's wanted to believe was the truth.
This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:36 pm to MMauler
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It's pure statistics. When one small group of people commit a HUGELY disproportionate percentage of the random violent crime, of course the police are going to come in contact with them more.
Is that TARGETING???
Do black cops similarly "target" blacks simply because they're black (cops or suspects)?
And, when cops have to deal with this DAY AFTER F*CKING DAY, AFTER F*CKING DAY, you don't think that they (COPS -- both black and white) are going to form some common f*cking sense perceptions? They (both black and white cops) know where the crime is, where the danger is, and where they really need to be on guard.
Yet, once again, a liberal just can't wrap his mind around COMMON F*CKING SENSE, and attributes these interactions to "targeting".
Blacks teens are killed at a rate 21x than whites.
21x!
And yes, blacks commit crimes at a rate far higher than whites. But overall, blacks are in prison at a rate roughly 6x than whites (all ages). Homicides they commit at 8x the rate (all ages)
eta: fix my error
You would think fatal police shootings would be roughly the same as the murder rate, maybe a bit higher but not that much of a difference!
This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:38 pm to the808bass
quote:Nope. Well, they were told they could consider them but since the prosecution had over charged, they never actually argued the case for those charges. Hence, the odds the jury would've found for the lesser charge were exceedingly low.
Pretty sure the jury was free to consider lesser charges.
This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 4:40 pm
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