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re: Harris - Miles response on radio show told alot IMO
Posted on 11/26/14 at 10:27 am to LouisianaLonghorn
Posted on 11/26/14 at 10:27 am to LouisianaLonghorn
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If we put him in the game, we are limiting us even more than what you see with Jennings. I don't see how this is even possible.
Harris would have netted LSU negative points vs Arky. First time in sports history
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 10:30 am to CptBengal
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Can you please show me where Miles said he doesnt know the plays they told him to know?
This is the whole point of this thread, man. Miles is not going to say "Harris doesn't know the plays". But, he said it without actually saying those exact words. What he did say implies the same thing.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 10:33 am to monsterballads
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time to go in a different direction. jennings is a backup QB.
If we could only get Miles to understand this.............
Posted on 11/26/14 at 10:35 am to PacWilly
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Miles is not going to say "Harris doesn't know the plays". But, he said it without actually saying those exact words. What he did say implies the same thing.
No it doesnt.
it doesnt at all, thats you spinning his response.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 10:40 am to atltiger6487
We run a simple, vanilla offense because that's the only thing our untalented QB can do! Mett ran Cams real offense last year, and look at how awesome our offense was! You can't force someone to develop at any position, especially when you have your youngest team in at least a decade. Our O-line is sub-par, so Jennings is running for his life, while trying to throw (which he can't even do standing still). This is why we run, we can't pass. There's nothing wrong with the scheme, it's a YOUNG, inexperienced team. Jennings has trouble handling shotgun snaps, and then making short, simple, throws. We would suck worse in a spread IMHO. Chill people, our entire O from last year is DOMINATING the NFL, we lost an assload of talent. The rant is full of Chicken Littles...
Posted on 11/26/14 at 10:46 am to PacWilly
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."we are waiting for Harris to take the reins of this team. Right now, he just is not getting it fast enough. If we put him in the game, we are limiting us even more than what you see with Jennings (paraphrased)
Have you seen our offense with Jennings? If this is really the reason why he hasn't been put in then I'm convinced that Harris is some kind of special needs functional retard. He's on the team as a charity case. Our offensive production is ridiculous the last few weeks.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:01 am to nicholastiger
quote:People are being too reactionary and impatient with the QB situation.
But when the season is pretty much over and it doesn't really matter whether you win the Ark, A&M or Bowl game, nows the time to throw him out there and see what he can do. He did that with Jordan Jefferson although it was because Lee got hurt and Jefferson ended up showing something when he got the opportunity and Harris is arguably more talented than Jefferson
If you read between the lines, it's pretty clear what the situation is-
Harris is the better prospect, and the intended future starter. He is also a true freshman, and doesn't really understand the offensive playbook or any of the reasoning behind it. Jennings knows the playbook a lot better than Harris, at least.
Think of Cameron's offense as similar to an advanced mathematics class. There are complicated formulas he has to work;
Harris does not yet know enough to work that problem at the basic level, while Jennings does. The coaches expect and plan that Harris will be the better QB, once he does learn the background enough to run things. So, this year, Jennings is the starter, and prepares for each game. Harris practices the generic principles of the offense and is being brought up to speed. Harris would likely not have ever seen the field, but we don't have a viable #2 QB since Rivers transferred.
It does no good to throw Harris out there, giving him a very limited gameplan list of plays, if the plan all along was to pull him aside and teach him the whole thing. Jennings probably has known this the whole time, and his early season meltdown was likely a result of pressing too hard, trying to get back into the longterm plan. Apparently Les and Cam have been able to corral that, and convince him that he's not going to be an elite QB no matter where, but running the team now will make him a valuable experienced backup and team leader going forward... and he would still get the same rings Harris would in the future.
This season was never going to be a championship season. That's just the way it is; but when Harris is ready, then this team can make a run.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:02 am to Scoob
If you think that equation you posted was complicated..... 
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:13 am to PacWilly
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Right now, he just is not getting it fast enough. If we put him in the game, we are limiting us even more than what you see with Jennings.
So if Harris enters the game, we can only hand off to one side? Makes sense, because the offense we run with Jennings looks incredible.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:14 am to PacWilly
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Contrary to what most ranters think, Miles and Cam are not idiots.
They may not be idiots, but their offensive play calling (even when we're talking just running the ball) leaves MUCH to be desired.
I think we all get caught up in talking about who is or isn't playing QB, but the bottom line is that LSU's passing game has performed poorly overall for a number of years.
Here is where LSU has ranked in passing dating back to our 2007 NC:
2014 - 112th
2013 - 45th
2012 - 94th
2011 - 106th (and we went 13-1)
2010 - 107th
2009 - 97th
2008 - 71st
2007 - 42nd
You cannot deny those numbers - they are terrible. Those numbers involved many QBs, WRs, etc. We know the talent that comes through LSU. You see the those players making big plays on Sundays on various NFL teams. Miles and his offensive coordinators have done a poor job of developing a decent passing game regardless of what QB is starting.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:17 am to PacWilly
After the Bama game, Les should have changed the philosophy.
Let BH air it out and open it up some....play for next year.
Let BH air it out and open it up some....play for next year.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:31 am to lsusteve1
There are actually people claiming the fans are impatient.
Are you fricking kidding me? This offense generates less passing yards than a HS passing game For God's sakes. HS teams still play other HS teams with comparable talent. So don't give me that shite bc we play in the sec it's ok to pass for less than 100 yards.
People are acting like were passing for 220 yards/game and were bitching about that. bullshite. Patience is gone when you can't pass for 100 fricking yards in one college football game. Added to the fact you're doing it for consecutive games.
frick patience and frick anyone saying to be patient after watching this shite.
Are you fricking kidding me? This offense generates less passing yards than a HS passing game For God's sakes. HS teams still play other HS teams with comparable talent. So don't give me that shite bc we play in the sec it's ok to pass for less than 100 yards.
People are acting like were passing for 220 yards/game and were bitching about that. bullshite. Patience is gone when you can't pass for 100 fricking yards in one college football game. Added to the fact you're doing it for consecutive games.
frick patience and frick anyone saying to be patient after watching this shite.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:35 am to PacWilly
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I also believe that he can still win the job in the spring despite not playing much this year.
you used the proper word "believe"...you have zero evidence in Miles tenure to lead you to conclude this, so you purely are choosing to believe in this possibility based exclusively on...well, belief
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:42 am to Football_Freak
If they bring in a JUCO (BIG IF) next semester I think it's probably likely Harris is starting at McNeese or SELU next fall.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:44 am to Football_Freak
Honestly it is the least infuriating answer Miles has given all year. His first statement about the 50/50 split and future is the best explanation he has given thus far. I almost took from it that he's saying the coaches decided to sacrifice Jennings in order to ensure Harris is as ready as possible. If Harris rolls out next year as the starter week 1 and plays at an extremely high level, I'll owe the coaches an apology. But based on past transgressions, this won't be the case. I'll remain overly cautious optimistic that Harris gets the job over the offseason.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:44 am to Barry Badrinath
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Are you fricking kidding me? This offense generates less passing yards than a HS passing game For God's sakes. HS teams still play other HS teams with comparable talent. So don't give me that shite bc we play in the sec it's ok to pass for less than 100 yards.
Yep, if you aren't upset about the lack of a productive passing game, something is wrong with you. Something is horribly wrong with the passing game philosophy.
Find another statue that can throw the damn football.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:46 am to OchoDedos
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If they bring in a JUCO (BIG IF) next semester I think it's probably likely Harris is starting at McNeese or SELU next fall.
Mett had taken his JUCO team to the national championship game before he came to LSU. He didn't have a good year until his third year, so I'm not confident in anyone else coming in blazing right away.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:46 am to Barry Badrinath
quote:yep
There are actually people claiming the fans are impatient.
quote:Yes, they do. Let's repeat that, just for fun:quote:
Are you fricking kidding me? This offense generates less passing yards than a HS passing game For God's sakes. HS teams still play other HS teams with comparable talent. So don't give me that shite bc we play in the sec it's ok to pass for less than 100 yards.
quote:Ok, we've established that teams with equal talent can produce on the field against each other.
HS teams still play other HS teams with comparable talent
So you take LSU's offense, which has at QB:
1) a sophomore with average ability and a limited but functional grasp of the offense
2) a true freshman with athletic ability but zero grasp of the offense
3) nobody else
At WR you have:
1) Dural, a sophomore who had 6 career catches coming into the season
2) Quinn, a true freshman who apparently is the next guy currently on the roster at running routes, but drops a lot
3) Diarse, a redshirt freshman who's been passed by Quinn, and can't catch him even though Quinn drops a lot
4) Dupre, a true freshman who runs a nice fade.
And this, in your mind, equals equal talent vs SEC defenses. Of course, this entire group should be lighting up the scoreboard, and petition to enter the draft. They're clearly ready to go against the Seahawks
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:50 am to RogerTheShrubber
What we all want to know is that Miles has an actual plan to change the nature of the QB position at LSU. None of us want to continue to see these abysmal numbers every year. Maybe Miles is having one of his special moments and has figured out that to do so, he had to break the postion completley first. We get a likely career backup in 2015 class. Behind him we likely have two elite QB's coming in the 2016 class. They will both be freshman Jenning's senior year and Harris' Junior year. At worst, they will be asked to start their sophmore years if Harris were to go early. They might not start until their Junior year should Harris stay for his senior campaign, with hopefully another QB waiting in the wings behind them. If this is all some ridiculous plan of some idiot savant I'm going to laugh my arse off. Here's to the glass being overflowing.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:59 am to Big EZ Tiger
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Mett had taken his JUCO team to the national championship game before he came to LSU. He didn't have a good year until his third year, so I'm not confident in anyone else coming in blazing right away.
I'm not confident of anyone else coming in blazing right away either, but as of right now, I'd settle for someone who at least smolders. It would be better than what we have now.
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