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Under miles: Jefferson, Shepard, Jennings, Harris
Posted on 11/22/14 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 11/22/14 at 11:47 pm
Versus Lee, Metts, Flynn.Russell(les's first year). Only Lee was recruited by les.
Eta: verdict still out on Harris. Looks like maybe he can sling aka Moo st. Game.
.As I sit at work pondering this. Why does miles go after these dual threat guys? If I remember correctly even as bad as Jarrett Lee was at times I do remember him filling in for Jefferson during his suspension and our offense running smoothly. My thoughts its seems like our offense is such much better under a pro style qb or pocket passer than a dual threat. We always have stud running backs and great receivers. Having a qb that can just sling it around like metts, Russell, and Flynn did was successful. I know this topic has been covered a million times but even with a slightly below average qb like Lee was it just seemed like the offense was better. Anybody care to discuss again. I am bored at work.
Eta: verdict still out on Harris. Looks like maybe he can sling aka Moo st. Game.
.As I sit at work pondering this. Why does miles go after these dual threat guys? If I remember correctly even as bad as Jarrett Lee was at times I do remember him filling in for Jefferson during his suspension and our offense running smoothly. My thoughts its seems like our offense is such much better under a pro style qb or pocket passer than a dual threat. We always have stud running backs and great receivers. Having a qb that can just sling it around like metts, Russell, and Flynn did was successful. I know this topic has been covered a million times but even with a slightly below average qb like Lee was it just seemed like the offense was better. Anybody care to discuss again. I am bored at work.
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 1:27 am
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Posted on 11/22/14 at 11:53 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
Because a true dual threat at QB is far more vauluable than a strict pocket passer.
Problem is our "DTs" can barely throw and run.
Problem is our "DTs" can barely throw and run.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 11:53 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
Me and my buddy was discussing this today. Why does les recruit QB's that don't fit his system? Doesn't make sense
Posted on 11/22/14 at 11:54 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
quote:
This is not a racist thread.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 12:07 am to FLBooGoTigs1
So what your saying is miles has developed some phenomenal college qbs..... got it
Posted on 11/23/14 at 12:09 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Felipe Franks is the answer
Posted on 11/23/14 at 12:11 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Add JaMarcus in the "pro style" column if you're worried about this looking racist. He's probably the most successful pro-style QB of the Miles era.
As for the two types, dual threats are strictly superior when they can actually throw well. The reason we look better with QBs who can throw well is that our passing attack is respected. Our "dual" threat QBs have mostly proven to be single threat QBs - and if you're going to have a single threat QB, it's better for that threat to be a passing threat instead of a running threat. It's a lot easier just to key in on the running game while worrying about one extra potential runner than it is to have to stop a good passing and running attack.
Essentially we struggle more with "dual" threat QBs because most of our dt QBs aren't actually a threat to pass very well, and so our offense ends up being one-dimensional. If Perrilloux had panned out instead of forcing Miles to cut him from the team then we probably don't have this discussion.
As for the two types, dual threats are strictly superior when they can actually throw well. The reason we look better with QBs who can throw well is that our passing attack is respected. Our "dual" threat QBs have mostly proven to be single threat QBs - and if you're going to have a single threat QB, it's better for that threat to be a passing threat instead of a running threat. It's a lot easier just to key in on the running game while worrying about one extra potential runner than it is to have to stop a good passing and running attack.
Essentially we struggle more with "dual" threat QBs because most of our dt QBs aren't actually a threat to pass very well, and so our offense ends up being one-dimensional. If Perrilloux had panned out instead of forcing Miles to cut him from the team then we probably don't have this discussion.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 12:21 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Harris has yet to play much of any so remove him from the discussion.
It took Mett to his fifth year to be good, do you want to wait 5 years for every QB to be good? Flynn played exactly one year (few game spots here and there prior), and. carried the ball 100 times, so I would not consider him a strict pocket QB. He also was in his fifth year. Lee was never good here. He showed flashes, but never developed. He was at best a game manager his final year which worked until we played Bama. He also didn't become at least a game manager until he was a 5th year player. So again, do you want to wait to a player's fifth year to have at least kind of decent pass game?
Jefferson was a pro style who was turned into a running QB. As a sophomore (12 games - 2166 pass yards 17 TDs 7 ints 171 rush yards 1 TD) had the 7th best season of the last 2 decades for LSU (which is like WTF). All the others were juniors and seniors. He regressed though. Sheppard was better suited for WR or trying to play in an Oregon style offense from the start. Jennings is just bad but he still has two years and you remember what I said about all those 5th year players right? He can turn it around his senior year, but unless Harris is hurt, I doubt he'll have the chance.
So in conclusion, none of those guys in the first paragraph were good or even decent until fifth year seniors. Two of the guys in the 2nd are still young, one was a pro style turned into a running guy who at least had one decent year (he could pretty much be added to the first paragraph), and the other never should have been recruited here on the premise of him playing QB.
It took Mett to his fifth year to be good, do you want to wait 5 years for every QB to be good? Flynn played exactly one year (few game spots here and there prior), and. carried the ball 100 times, so I would not consider him a strict pocket QB. He also was in his fifth year. Lee was never good here. He showed flashes, but never developed. He was at best a game manager his final year which worked until we played Bama. He also didn't become at least a game manager until he was a 5th year player. So again, do you want to wait to a player's fifth year to have at least kind of decent pass game?
Jefferson was a pro style who was turned into a running QB. As a sophomore (12 games - 2166 pass yards 17 TDs 7 ints 171 rush yards 1 TD) had the 7th best season of the last 2 decades for LSU (which is like WTF). All the others were juniors and seniors. He regressed though. Sheppard was better suited for WR or trying to play in an Oregon style offense from the start. Jennings is just bad but he still has two years and you remember what I said about all those 5th year players right? He can turn it around his senior year, but unless Harris is hurt, I doubt he'll have the chance.
So in conclusion, none of those guys in the first paragraph were good or even decent until fifth year seniors. Two of the guys in the 2nd are still young, one was a pro style turned into a running guy who at least had one decent year (he could pretty much be added to the first paragraph), and the other never should have been recruited here on the premise of him playing QB.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:02 am to FLBooGoTigs1
The same.reason LA can't produce qbs. We find the fastest guy that can run for first downs and not worry about how he throws. Seen it first hand. It's true rather white or black the best athlete plays qb not the best QB
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:06 am to FLBooGoTigs1
What does a linebacker have to do with this?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:14 am to FLBooGoTigs1
First it is Shepard. Sheppard played linebacker.
But I had always felt Jordan at his best was better than Lee at his best. Both guys were just way too inconsistent. I'm not talking about just as a passer but Jordan's ability to pass and run at times was good and a lot of times not so good. The guy also was very physical and could take a licking. Shepard would have been broken in half with the hits I've seen lee, Jordan and most recently Mett took.
But I had always felt Jordan at his best was better than Lee at his best. Both guys were just way too inconsistent. I'm not talking about just as a passer but Jordan's ability to pass and run at times was good and a lot of times not so good. The guy also was very physical and could take a licking. Shepard would have been broken in half with the hits I've seen lee, Jordan and most recently Mett took.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:03 am to FLBooGoTigs1
why did you put Lee in with the so called good group? Your division makes no sense. How is Lee like the others in YOUR GROUPING?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 11:21 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Russell and Flynn, while maybe not truly dual threats, were still a ton more mobile than Mett.
People forget that.
They both ended up with positive yards rushing career stats, so while they may not have been option QBs, they had some mobility. They could prolong plays.
But also how many pure pocket passers have come out of Louisiana in Miles tenure?
He goes after the best he can get, and really pickings are slim in our main source of players.
People forget that.
They both ended up with positive yards rushing career stats, so while they may not have been option QBs, they had some mobility. They could prolong plays.
But also how many pure pocket passers have come out of Louisiana in Miles tenure?
He goes after the best he can get, and really pickings are slim in our main source of players.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:04 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
quote:so if Miles didnt recruit Zach how did he end up playing at LSU? did he just run on to the field one day?
Versus Lee, Metts, Flynn.Russell. Only Lee was recruited by les.
and before someone says "oh but he was a UGA recruit and juco player", maybe they can explain why his first 8 games as a stater were average to bad (7 TDs, 4 INTs, 56 percent completion percentage). why did he improve? did he forget what he learned at the juco 2 years earlier and then suddenly remember it?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:16 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
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Under miles: Jefferson, Shepard, Jennings, Harris Versus Lee, Metts, Flynn. Russell(les's first year). Only Lee was recruited by les.
Eta: verdict still out on Harris. Looks like maybe he can sling aka Moo st. Game.
You have Mobile and DT QB confusion. Flynn and JJ were actually "mobile QBs" .
quote:Better than with who, Jennings and Harris, the only DT QBs you've listed?
I know this topic has been covered a million times but even with a slightly below average qb like Lee was it just seemed like the offense was better.
Lee was ok vs an avg D, but dismal under pressure and disguised covers.
Seems you suspiciously leave out RP?
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