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re: Paid white tail hunts VS really earning a trophy
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:20 am to LoneStarTiger
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:20 am to LoneStarTiger
good deal, glad to have you back!
now then, before that foreigner gets back, weren't we discussing our upcoming hunt?
now then, before that foreigner gets back, weren't we discussing our upcoming hunt?
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:22 am to KG6
quote:didn't mean to come off racist or anything. (when i think of tail, it's always white)
We'll have exotics as well.
just call it " KG6's Mountable Trophy Ranch"
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:31 am to Ole Geauxt
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now then, before that foreigner gets back, weren't we discussing our upcoming hunt?
I don't think they allow foreigners in Mis'sippi
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:32 am to JJBTiger2012
quote:da fuq
Watch it cracker! That sir, is my opinion as well. I guess your part of the butt hurt club like myself according to a few OBers.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:32 am to Ole Geauxt
Hunting leased/public land is not about being lucky (for some yes). There is a ton a scouting and planning that goes into it and some can kill large deer just about every year. Some high fences DO let you pick the deer you want. I am not saying that management doesnt go into high fence places. I am saying that it's easier to kill a trophy in a controlled area. Otherwise, they wouldnt put the fence up. You can try to defend it all you want, but most on here have been to one and you're almost guaranteed to see a trophy in the first 3 days. Go on a fair chase lottery hunt in the midwest if you want to take down a large buck and brag about it. Instead of having a $20K wall ornament.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:33 am to Da Hammer
quote:This
The worse thing we can do IMO as hunters is turn against each other due to hunting over bait, running dogs, hunting in a fence, etc.... if it's legal we should try and stand behind it and hold rank rather than expose our flanks to further attack.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:34 am to mcpotiger
Like boasting about a 10 pound bass from a farm pond.....
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:35 am to LoneStarTiger
if so, they shouldn't! at least nothing past Tupelo, Gulfport and Vicksburg..
Louisiana was too liberal!!
Louisiana was too liberal!!
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:47 am to KG6
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You pretty much luck up on public land
I guess the people that regularly kill 150"+ deer on public land are the luckiest people alive
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 8:49 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:49 am to Raz4back
I have seen three in bow range for sure so far. Definitely luck in my instances. All were hot doe related. I still have not figured out how to see one in the day time when it's not the rut.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:57 am to Raz4back
Where are these people? I hunt public land a lot (mostly in Mississippi) and have seen a lot of bucks killed. But nothing in the 150s. I've seen a couple in the books that would probably go that, but never in person. Biggest public land deer i've seen killed have been in the 130s.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:17 am to JJBTiger2012
Where do you draw the line?
What if I purchase 2000 acres of MS river bottom hardwoods, put up a fence around it, survay my herd, find terrible genetics, introduce a strict 5-10 year management program, then start killing 140-180" deer with some regularity?
Is that not hunting? I think it is, just some people let jealousy cloud their judgement of others.
What if I purchase 2000 acres of MS river bottom hardwoods, put up a fence around it, survay my herd, find terrible genetics, introduce a strict 5-10 year management program, then start killing 140-180" deer with some regularity?
Is that not hunting? I think it is, just some people let jealousy cloud their judgement of others.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:21 am to DownSouthDave
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Where are these people
If you aren't close friends with them you aren't going to know about it. Guys that are killing deer like that on public land aren't going to share much info.
I have a good friend that killed 6 140" or bigger deer in the last 7 years in "Kansas" . In reality they came off of the White River Refuge.
The dad of a girl I used to date had (at the time) 12 P&Y bucks (including 4 that grossed in the 170 range) all off of public land.
There was a deer this year killed off of Grandview Prairie WMA that is going to push the Arkansas state record for a typical. It green scored in the 186" range. Here's a picture of it.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 9:26 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:38 am to Raz4back
Maybe that's the case in Arkansas. But down here I don't think it's true. I know a lot of people hunting down here, and off of public land. I don't believe there are people killing 150's regularly. If someone else here knows of it happening, please, correct me... and tell me where they are hunting... exactly.
Also, link didn't work for me.
Also, link didn't work for me.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:41 am to tigers225
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Hunting leased/public land is not about being lucky (for some yes). There is a ton a scouting and planning that goes into it and some can kill large deer just about every year. Some high fences DO let you pick the deer you want. I am not saying that management doesnt go into high fence places. I am saying that it's easier to kill a trophy in a controlled area. Otherwise, they wouldnt put the fence up. You can try to defend it all you want, but most on here have been to one and you're almost guaranteed to see a trophy in the first 3 days. Go on a fair chase lottery hunt in the midwest if you want to take down a large buck and brag about it. Instead of having a $20K wall ornament.
Why get your jimmies rustled over how someone else spends their money???
Lots of high fenced places are high fenced to manage genetics more accurately, not making it easier.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:44 am to Raz4back
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If you aren't close friends with them you aren't going to know about it. Guys that are killing deer like that on public land aren't going to share much info. I have a good friend that killed 6 140" or bigger deer in the last 7 years in "Kansas" . In reality they came off of the White River Refuge. The dad of a girl I used to date had (at the time) 12 P&Y bucks (including 4 that grossed in the 170 range) all off of public land.
I hear lots of tall tales about these super public land hunters every year. Sadly, nobody ever seems to have the photos to back up the stories which leaves me to believe most of the stories are bullshite.
There are some guys in very remote areas that have the benefit of having lightly hunted public access in their backyard. Some of them manage to do very well each year. These people are the exception and not the rule. I just don't believe you sneak Booners out of public land every year without anybody taking notice. Let's also accept that the majority of hunters on public land would more likely be categorized as meat hunters as opposed to trophy hunters. Overall, this impact on the age structure reduces the likelihood of encountering mature trophy bucks. Lets be practical, if public land was consistently killing giants everyone would be hunting there.
There are some public draw permits in areas where success is nearly guaranteed and quality is very high. In most cases a permit is drawn perhaps once every decade or so and some people never draw a permit.
I'm not a fan of high fences but recognize that there has to be a point in terms of acreage within the fence that we're pretty damn close to fair chase conditions. What is that number? I really have no idea.
My issue is with the hunting of what I call deer farms. Generally speaking were talking about very small high fenced tracts where the deer are effectively inventoried and cataloged and sold like a steer. Or similar sized tracts where the farmed deer was literally delivered by trailer the previous day to be shot by a paying customer. To each their own, but I just don't see this as being very sporting.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 9:47 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:48 am to DownSouthDave
I don't know many people regularly killing 130's on private, well managed (not fenced) land. It happens, and someone will catch one even better every now and then, but to say regularly would be a flat out lie. I don't hunt much, but spend a lot of time at the camp around St. Francisville. Also know a taxedermist who does a lot of work around there. They may have a few 150 class deer killed locally per year out of the entire area. I would say where the people I go with hunt, they kill about three 120 class deer per year on average. Some years a lot better, some years worse. And that's on roughly 2500 acres of private land (broken up so it is bordered by a lot of different peopole).
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:50 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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What if I purchase 2000 acres of MS river bottom hardwoods, put up a fence around it, survay my herd, find terrible genetics, introduce a strict 5-10 year management program, then start killing 140-180" deer with some regularity?
Is that not hunting?
It may be hunting. And it definitely is good work, but I don't think you can put up a picture of a deer that you killed there and say that it took the same level of skill/luck as if you killed the same size animal in an area where the general rule is "if it's brown it's down".
You have to admit the scenario you describe starts to turn from hunting to herding. The only difference between those deer and regular livestock is the amount of domestication.
I had a guy in my office a few months ago that showed me a picture of a deer that he was going to go kill. He had already paid the place for the right to go shoot him. He then showed me a picture of a deer he had killed there last time but he thought they might have fooled him because it looked a little different from the picture where he "bought" it. That is not hunting.
Not saying I am the end all be all of hunting. I only rifle and "primitive" firearm hunt for deer. I think guys that get a big deer within bow range are showing more skill/determination than I am.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:52 am to wiltznucs
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I hear lots of tall tales about these super public land hunters every year. Sadly, nobody ever seems to have the photos to back up the stories which leaves me to believe most of the stories are bull shite.
I've seen the deer. I don't make a habit of taking pictures of other people's mounts. What would I gain by lying about it, it's not like I'm claiming to be the one killing them I'm too lazy to drag a 200lb deer for a mile through the woods.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 9:55 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:55 am to Raz4back
Mung and I have met one of these guys. Strange fellow. Hunts where he can barely even shoot 10 yards. Wish I knew how he does it.
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