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re: Why you should hope life isn't found in space: The Fermi Paradox / Great Filter
Posted on 11/14/14 at 8:41 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 11/14/14 at 8:41 am to WG_Dawg
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I guess I'm a big dummy when it comes to the topic...but in layman's term wtf does this mean exactly?
Read the whole article. Long but well worth it.
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Posted on 11/14/14 at 9:27 am to USMCTiger03
Anybody ever read the Sci Fi novel Link ?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 9:35 am to weagle99
Damn Great Filter, you scary
Posted on 11/14/14 at 9:38 am to weagle99
I think we are the ant colony existing next to the highway.
Possibility 9) Higher civilizations are here, all around us. But we’re too primitive to perceive them. Michio Kaku sums it up like this:
Lets say we have an ant hill in the middle of the forest. And right next to the ant hill, they’re building a ten-lane super-highway. And the question is “Would the ants be able to understand what a ten-lane super-highway is? Would the ants be able to understand the technology and the intentions of the beings building the highway next to them?
Possibility 9) Higher civilizations are here, all around us. But we’re too primitive to perceive them. Michio Kaku sums it up like this:
Lets say we have an ant hill in the middle of the forest. And right next to the ant hill, they’re building a ten-lane super-highway. And the question is “Would the ants be able to understand what a ten-lane super-highway is? Would the ants be able to understand the technology and the intentions of the beings building the highway next to them?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:04 am to weagle99
quote:The thought this conjures up in me is "Resistance is futile." Not entirely (or even remotely) comforting.
One hypothesis as to how galactic colonization could happen is by creating machinery that can travel to other planets, spend 500 years or so self-replicating using the raw materials on their new planet, and then send two replicas off to do the same thing. Even without traveling anywhere near the speed of light, this process would colonize the whole galaxy in 3.75 million years, a relative blink of an eye when talking in the scale of billions of years...
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:10 am to JawjaTigah
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One hypothesis as to how galactic colonization could happen is by creating machinery that can travel to other planets, spend 500 years or so self-replicating using the raw materials on their new planet, and then send two replicas off to do the same thing. Even without traveling anywhere near the speed of light, this process would colonize the whole galaxy in 3.75 million years, a relative blink of an eye when talking in the scale of billions of years...
The thought this conjures up in me is "Resistance is futile." Not entirely (or even remotely) comforting.
The thought this conjures up in me is that a bunch of nerds got together and started perpetuating a contrived theory... Y2K comes to mind.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:23 am to weagle99
The more I read this article, the more I disagree. It is filled with complete assumptions and wild theories based on nothing.
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 10:24 am
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:36 am to weagle99
The Great Filter is just a theory though. You can have a theory about anything. Like the "2 friends theory" which says every hot girl has 2 friends they hangout with. One friend is fat, and the other friend is annoying.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:41 am to LSU8654722
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The Great Filter is just a theory though.
Correct - a theory that is very difficult to test, other than continuing to actively/passively observe the negative.
Ultimately, the big question remains: Does intelligent life of extraterrestrial origin - in the entire vastness of the known universe - exist?
There are only 3 possible answers: "Yes," "No," and "Not anymore." Any of the three answers are both fascinating and terrifying.
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 10:42 am
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:54 am to SundayFunday
Well yeah, but it's interesting and puts it into a pretty logical and easy to digest form.
One thought regarding the Type II or III intelligent life, if a concerned benefactor type theory were true, you'd think they would have stepped in during past global events, esp. Atomic bombs being dropped, when it became more and more possible that we could blow ourselves out of existence.
One thought regarding the Type II or III intelligent life, if a concerned benefactor type theory were true, you'd think they would have stepped in during past global events, esp. Atomic bombs being dropped, when it became more and more possible that we could blow ourselves out of existence.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 11:01 am to Farkwad
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Lets say we have an ant hill in the middle of the forest. And right next to the ant hill, they’re building a ten-lane super-highway. And the question is “Would the ants be able to understand what a ten-lane super-highway is? Would the ants be able to understand the technology and the intentions of the beings building the highway next to them?
great explanation...we havent evolved enough to understand whats going on
Posted on 11/14/14 at 11:05 am to USMCTiger03
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One thought regarding the Type II or III intelligent life, if a concerned benefactor type theory were true, you'd think they would have stepped in during past global events, esp. Atomic bombs being dropped, when it became more and more possible that we could blow ourselves out of existence.
Depends on if we are their only product or if they don't mind letting us end ourselves and then just simply start over.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 11:09 am to Ace Midnight
It's just amazing to see what we've accomplished in a few hundred years: From the horse and mule to landing a probe on a comet that we can communicate with.
So just imagine what technology we'd have in just the next 100 years? I can for see us sending out many vessels with people on board that will never return. In a few thousand years we'd likely have colonized dozens of habitable planets and explored ~10% of our galaxy with probes.
So if there was another planet that's developing at just rate of .01% slower than us then human like intelligence wouldn't have even developed. Likewise if there was plant that developed just a bit fast than us, they'd likely have already explored most of the milky way and have presence just about anywhere they'd have chosen. Maybe those are the little green men people have claimed to have seen...
So just imagine what technology we'd have in just the next 100 years? I can for see us sending out many vessels with people on board that will never return. In a few thousand years we'd likely have colonized dozens of habitable planets and explored ~10% of our galaxy with probes.
So if there was another planet that's developing at just rate of .01% slower than us then human like intelligence wouldn't have even developed. Likewise if there was plant that developed just a bit fast than us, they'd likely have already explored most of the milky way and have presence just about anywhere they'd have chosen. Maybe those are the little green men people have claimed to have seen...
Posted on 11/14/14 at 11:18 am to Bestbank Tiger
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It's very difficult for that step to occur-
How DID prokaryotes "make the evolutionary jump to being complex and having a nucleus"?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 11:18 am to C
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I can for see us
"why won't the aliens talk to us!!!"
Posted on 11/14/14 at 11:57 am to weagle99
Have you looked around lately? I pray the filter is ahead of us.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:19 pm to Farkwad
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I think we are the ant colony existing next to the highway.
Possibility 9) Higher civilizations are here, all around us. But we’re too primitive to perceive them. Michio Kaku sums it up like this:
Lets say we have an ant hill in the middle of the forest. And right next to the ant hill, they’re building a ten-lane super-highway. And the question is “Would the ants be able to understand what a ten-lane super-highway is? Would the ants be able to understand the technology and the intentions of the beings building the highway next to them?
Exactly. A civilization a mere 10,000 years ahead of us would have abilities at their disposal that we couldn't imagine.
One out there that's a million or more years ahead? How in the hell could we possibly begin to even conceive of their existence unless they just blatantly popped up and said "Here we are!"
And I disagree with an earlier posted assumption that "1 percent of civilizations should get to Type III". That is so powerful that it seems like fractions of a percent ever get that advanced/lucky.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:25 pm to uway
quote:Possibly began as a symbiotic relationship between two prokaryotic organisms.
How DID prokaryotes "make the evolutionary jump to being complex and having a nucleus"?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:50 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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This wouldn't be a bad bet. It's very difficult for that step to occur--otherwise we would have seen it happen repeatedly throughout the history of the earth.
What I don't understand is the assumption of there only being one "filter."
The jump to high level sentience is most definitely one considering the caloric cost.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:56 pm to OMLandshark
It's not about them hearing us...it's about us hearing them.
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