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re: West Standings (Updated: 2/2) - Who Stays? Who Goes?
Posted on 11/20/14 at 2:32 pm to Hester Carries
Posted on 11/20/14 at 2:32 pm to Hester Carries
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Its irrational reactionary statements like this that warrant you losing speaking privileges
Whats reactionary about it? Link me to a post where I've ever believed anything to the contrary. Maybe when he first came here and I hadn't seen him play much. I think he makes teams worse. Period. And I don't think Memphis has anyone on their roster who makes teams much worse.
Y'all need to come up with something because I'm hearing a lot of Lake Wobegon on this board. Everybody's above average. Jrue is above average, Tyreke is above average, Ryno is above average, EG is above average, Asik is above average. Guess what, when you have 5 above average players and the 2nd best player in the league, you don't follow Thunder games hoping they'll go 12 games under .500 before their best players come back so that we have a chance of maybe getting the 8th seed.
I'm as optimistic about this team as anyone because of Davis' development and my belief of how far a star can carry a team. But come on, there are obviously problems with this team. I believe a massive portion of it starts and ends with Tyreke. Also, people overvalue how valuable a stretch 4 who is a liability on defense. I love Ryno and he is very good at what he does. But it just isn't that valuable of a thing to have. Somebody like Z-Bo or even Asik just translates to so many more wins. If it were as valuable as ppl make him seem, we wouldn't have been around and under .500 last year even when everybody was healthy. Obviously, Monty and the bench are other huge problems.
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 2:39 pm to TheSexecutioner
I mean our inability to close has cost us three games, Portland, Cle, and Dallas. We held leads late in all 3 of those games and we had double digit fourth quarter leads in two of them. Everyone but Davis played terribly down the stretch of all three of those games. At least Evans won us a relatively close game down the stretch in Sactown.
We've been a very good team so far, that's why we're top 5 in Holingers power rankings. And honestly everyone in the west is going to be team watching. It wouldn't surprise me if the 1 seed and 11 seed are separated by less than ten games
We've been a very good team so far, that's why we're top 5 in Holingers power rankings. And honestly everyone in the west is going to be team watching. It wouldn't surprise me if the 1 seed and 11 seed are separated by less than ten games
Posted on 11/20/14 at 3:15 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Guess what, when you have 5 above average players and the 2nd best player in the league, you don't follow Thunder games hoping they'll go 12 games under .500 before their best players come back so that we have a chance of maybe getting the 8th seed.
This is the most insanely idiotic thing ive ever heard. What does what the fans do early on in the season have to do with the price of tea in China? shite, this team could go off and end up being a 4th seed and you think we arent good because early on in the season our fans werent clear on the lanscape of the west?
Posted on 11/20/14 at 3:42 pm to TheSexecutioner
Want to know how I know you're trolling?
This hasn't been said by anyone in at least 2 years.
League Average PER = 15 by definition
Ryan Anderson 19.7 this year 18.4 for his career
Jrue Holiday 19.1 this year 15.4 for his career
Tyreke Evans 16.3 this year 17.1 for his career
PER has it's flaws but if we're talking in vague terms like above average, it seems like it should suffice considering they all get decent minutes.
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EG is above average
This hasn't been said by anyone in at least 2 years. quote:
Everybody's above average. Jrue is above average, Tyreke is above average, Ryno is above average,
League Average PER = 15 by definition
Ryan Anderson 19.7 this year 18.4 for his career
Jrue Holiday 19.1 this year 15.4 for his career
Tyreke Evans 16.3 this year 17.1 for his career
PER has it's flaws but if we're talking in vague terms like above average, it seems like it should suffice considering they all get decent minutes.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:40 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Also, people overvalue how valuable a stretch 4 who is a liability on defense. I love Ryno and he is very good at what he does. But it just isn't that valuable of a thing to have. Somebody like Z-Bo or even Asik just translates to so many more wins.
I disagree with this, everyone saw what a stretch 4&5 did to the Pacers against the hawks when they rolled out the millsaps and antic line ups.
And let's look at the last few championship teams.
Spurs- Boris Diaw
Heat- Chris Bosh (not a defensive liability but still)
Mavs- dirk
All three have big men who can stretch the floor, stretch 4's are appropriately valued IMO. The ability to pull bigs like hibbert and Howard and Davis and the like away from the paint is extremely valuable to a teams ability to penetrate and finish well at the rim
They do however have to be paired with a defensive force to not kill a teams defense typically (Tim duncan/splitter, Tyson chandler, asik) so I see your point there
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