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re: DOE tells Princeton "Clear and Convincing" Is Too High of a Burden

Posted on 11/8/14 at 7:29 am to
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
15146 posts
Posted on 11/8/14 at 7:29 am to
Just video every session. Problem solved. What girl is going to want you to play the video to prove your innocence?
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59752 posts
Posted on 11/8/14 at 7:31 am to
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even signed consent doesn't get you over the "drunk" issue, which seems to be the scenario that really creates the issues


Agreed. Women (are they fragile creatures who need special protection or are they equal with men? SJWs can't decide) can't truly "consent" if drunk, but confusingly, men will absolutely be held responsible for their actions if drunk.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 11/8/14 at 7:34 am to
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What are the consequences of conviction? If this is not a criminal "trial" and more civil, isn't POE the correct standard? Again, I guess it depends on the consequences.


The consequences are a "rape" on your college records, your reputation, forever. Basically a scarlet letter for life based on the preponderance of the evidence. Awful.
Posted by runningTiger
Member since Apr 2014
3029 posts
Posted on 11/8/14 at 7:48 am to
I guess the only solution then is not to have a bunch of sex with strangers and people you're not in love with. If you love the person you won't rape the person she loves you back all will be well. Too much waste of garbage sacks happening anyway. Maybe just wait. I don't know. Sexualrevolution

I had a friend who was raped in school and I fully believe her. She told the administration and they encouraged her not to press charges. I feel for people who are falsely accused but I also feel for those who are told by administration's not to be stronger and to holdguilty to guilty. It's a really bad situation that is a product of way too much sex happening on campus. Sex is very important and should not be taken lightly as most people in college today do. I think they are adults and their bodies are but they are freakingWho mostly get all their money for their parents and don't know how to take care of themselves and so they get drunk and do stupid stuff idiots I really get mad about this but it's really sad to me to
This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 7:51 am
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
102084 posts
Posted on 11/8/14 at 7:52 am to
This is fricking ridiculous. They are demanding colleges and universities violate any sort of due process rights for these accused.
This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 7:57 am
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 11/8/14 at 8:14 am to
Buncha rape-deniers in here.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
125444 posts
Posted on 11/8/14 at 8:16 am to
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violate any sort of due process rights for these accused.
Unless the accusation is directed against a woman duplicitously filing the rape allegation. Then there is not only due process, the charges are dismissed without action.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
113691 posts
Posted on 11/8/14 at 8:30 am to
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The consequences are a "rape" on your college records, your reputation, forever. Basically a scarlet letter for life based on the preponderance of the evidence. Awful.


And because of this there have been a few cases where the expelled male took the college to court with a lawsuit and won. But that takes money. It's not the kind of case lawyers find appealing.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
125444 posts
Posted on 11/8/14 at 8:41 am to
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But that takes money. It's not the kind of case lawyers find appealing.

It also entails trauma on the part of the accused, regardless of outcome. It is termed "psychological rape," and it's a life changing experience in many instances. Duke Lacrosse as an example.

This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 8:45 am
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
135692 posts
Posted on 11/8/14 at 8:54 am to
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What happens if both people are under the influence like most college cases after a party?


The male is still responsible. Women become helpless creatures after one glass of wine while males become focused, lucid predators with full cognitive thought and capable of planning out a rape hours before said drunken random hookup. At least thats what I've been taught by Wendy Davis.
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