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re: The official Interstellar thread (spoilers)

Posted on 11/19/14 at 7:27 pm to
Posted by rebeloke
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Posted on 11/19/14 at 7:27 pm to
Maybe they felt he should leave before the wormhole closed.
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Posted by flvelo12
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Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:02 pm to
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Maybe they felt he should leave before the wormhole closed

Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:26 pm to
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Maybe they felt he should leave before the wormhole closed.


So, all this back and forth about the wormhole had me thinking, it really doesn't matter either way. Ultimately we believe the same ultimate ending. Cooper ends up with Brand. Murph's space station will find a way to Brand's planet. The ending result is the same. Even if the wormhole being closed creates a bigger problem for Cooper, I still believe he makes it. Either by intervention once again from the 5th dimension beings, the love connection he has with Brand, and/or finding another wormhole.

Hopefully this brings a little peace to some of you who are mad about the notion that the wormhole might be closed. After all, we all loved the movie. That's the most important thing, right?
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 8:30 pm
Posted by flvelo12
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Posted on 11/19/14 at 9:02 pm to
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After all, we all loved the movie.

Agree. Seems to me the overwhelming consensus for the film here is very positive. Looking forward to seeing it again this weekend.
Posted by Thurber
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:14 am to
bump
I just saw this last night, and wow, I thought it was great. MM did a good job, Anne Hathaway
was
Posted by RidiculousHype
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:28 am to
Yes, and now that we've sort of closed that chapter, I think we need to move on to the ultimate question of the paradox posed by Interstellar.

But I think it will need its own thread in order to not get lost in the many other topics being posted about in this thread.
Posted by Indigold
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:32 am to
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the love connection he has with Brand


Why do people keep referring to this non-existent love connection? There was absolutely none of that in this movie. Maybe in the first script, but not in the actual movie
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:38 am to
Going into this movie, knowing that it would be about relativity, i assumed there would be some mind blowing plot points. That being said, while I loved the film, I think it was far more straight forward than any other non-batman Nolan film. I understood people debating The Prestige and Inception. Im really not sure what some of these debates are about beyond looking for something to be confused about.
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:51 am to
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Pretty weird and cool that it was only a few feet deep


I think it might only have been temporarily that shallow due to the massive wave that was forming
Posted by lsugradman
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:03 am to
It didnt really make much sense to me that the water in front of and behind a thousand foot tall wave would only be a few feet deep. I can understand how gravity could create some huge waves but in order for a wave to be that high the water has to be pretty damn deep.
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:10 am to
Perhaps there are always giant waves rolling across that face of that planet. That would leave the remaining non wave locations with her shallow water
Posted by TreyAnastasio
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:12 am to
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Perhaps there are always giant waves rolling across that face of that planet.


There are
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:26 am to
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So, all this back and forth about the wormhole had me thinking, it really doesn't matter either way. Ultimately we believe the same ultimate ending. Cooper ends up with Brand. Murph's space station will find a way to Brand's planet.
Without the wormhole?

quote:

Even if the wormhole being closed creates a bigger problem for Cooper, I still believe he makes it. Either by intervention once again from the 5th dimension beings, the love connection he has with Brand, and/or finding another wormhole.

mother of God

quote:

Hopefully this brings a little peace to some of you who are mad about the notion that the wormhole might be closed. After all, we all loved the movie. That's the most important thing, right?

No, and I did not love the movie.
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:41 am to
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There are

Exactly, that was made clear when they deduced how Edmonds was likely wiped out minutes before they got there.
Posted by Sho Nuff
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:40 pm to
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I actually LOLed in the theatre when I saw Damon come out of the cryosleep.


I let out a laugh, turned to my wife and said "he's such a douche"

Of course, he filled my expectation perfectly.
Posted by HeadChange
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 2:15 pm to
Saw this last night and I'm still trying to pick up the pieces and put my brain back together, but I loved this movie. I'm still trying to process everything so I don't have a lot to comment on right now, but I can say I was blown away how they were able to capture "time" in the tesseract(sp?) and its infinite structure. Then he starts playing with the actual fabric of spacetime and, well I don't have any words for just how awesome that was. I could have probably impregnated a man at that point.

I'm going to have to see this again, but I'm lacking in the badass home theater department so I'll have to go back to the theater.
Posted by Cs
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 2:57 pm to
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Ultimately we believe the same ultimate ending. Cooper ends up with Brand. Murph's space station will find a way to Brand's planet.


I don't believe this at all. Given the tone of the ending, I think Brand will forever be separated from the rest of humanity, and will have to ultimately carry out Plan B on her own. The remainder of humanity will have to drift along throughout space to find a suitable planetary domicile. As a result, humanity has now spread out across two discrete galaxies, and has significantly minimized their chance of becoming completely extinct.

The ultimate goal for the hyperdimensional beings was to emancipate the remaining humans from Earth, not to provide them with an expressway to the nearest habitable planet. As such, the wormhole was positioned to take Cooper directly to the black hole. This intention was misinterpreted by humans, as they avoided the black hole in an attempt to scout the proximal planets.

Transplanting all of humanity to another single planet results in essentially the same scenario that humanity faced on Earth, in that any deleterious threat to the planet once again places all of humanity on the edge of extinction.
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 3:15 pm to
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The ultimate goal for the hyperdimensional beings was to emancipate the remaining humans from Earth, not to provide them with an expressway to the nearest habitable planet. As such, the wormhole was positioned to take Cooper directly to the black hole. This intention was misinterpreted by humans, as they avoided the black hole in an attempt to scout the proximal planets.
This actually makes a lot of sense. The wormhole has served it's purpose and actually closed upon Cooper completing his mission of transferring the formula. However, what do you believe was the intention of Cooper at the end of the movie? To just find a way to Brand or die?
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 3:20 pm
Posted by Holden Caulfield
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 3:28 pm to
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they deduced how Edmonds was likely wiped out minutes before they got th

Not Edmunds, Miller. Brand ultimately made it to Edmunds' planet with her eggs.
Posted by Cs
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 3:51 pm to
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However, what do you believe was the intention of Cooper at the end of the movie? To just find a way to Brand or die?


As I've mentioned throughout the thread, I don't think it's as black and white as "Find Brand or die."

One of thematic propositions of the film is that humanity is at its best when it casts itself into the unknown. Cooper's character represents this concept. As Donald mentioned numerous times throughout the film, Cooper never quite fit in with society. He was a dreamer and an explorer, and didn't want to merely subsist. The night before he left, Cooper was drinking a beer out on his porch with Donald, and said something to the effect of, ""Cause goin' out there was something I was born to do."

There was nothing left for him on Cooper Station, especially after he met with Murph. In fact, it was essentially the same scenario he was in while on Earth, represented by the facsimile of his house. Humanity was drifting along, simply surviving.

Cooper was going to leave irrespective of whatever Murph had told him. Murph didn't give him a death sentence - Cooper was a perfectly functional adult, and could obviously make his own decisions. If your grandmother is on her death bed and tells you to hike Everest, you're not suddenly conscripted to that action - that's a decision you'll make on your own. Cooper was going to leave regardless of what his daughter told him to do. Not only because it fits in with him as a character, but because this ties in to one of the greater themes of the film - exploring the unknown.

Cooper knew it was highly unlikely that he was going to find Brand, but again, that wasn't his singular purpose. His departure at the end was far more profound than "Find Brand." It was a visualization of one of the core themes of the film, and it was Cooper staying true to who he was and doing what he wanted to do. For Cooper, dying out in a corner of the galaxy would have been far more rewarding than dying in a hospital bed on Cooper Station.

And, ultimately, we don't know how far Cooper could have gotten. Remember, this is a human civilization that has fully realized AI and perfected cryostasis. TARS was in the back seat, and Cooper's seat could have easily retracted into a cryostasis chamber. Cooper could have drifted along for hundreds or thousands of lightyears in cryostasis, and could have told TARS to wake him if they closed in on anything meaningful.

In the end, Cooper was doing what he was going to do anyway, which ties in to one of the primary themes of the film and results in a thematically gratifying ending. The film felt the need to explicitly reveal to the audience Cooper's old age at the end - 124 years. We subsequently see Cooper's departure from humanity, and this satisfies one of the persistent literary motifs of the film.

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light...
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 3:58 pm
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