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re: LSU: most fb wins in the greatest ever conference-decade ever
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:17 am to mmcgrath
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:17 am to mmcgrath
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Since Saban's players left, the offense has greatly under-performed relative to their talent. That is a fact that can easily be proved with numbers, and you need a good offense to win.
Saban has 1 sec title and 1 bcs title with his own recruits.
Lsu just set an sec record on offense last year.
I hate our ignorant fan base.
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:18 am to mmcgrath
quote:
Since Saban's players left, the offense has greatly under-performed relative to their talent
This is what i'm talking about. That is not a fact at all. It is you opinion of how talented each offense was , what their potential could be, and whether or not they played up to it.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:21 am to Topwater Trout
quote:Right. It isn't that you're wrong and/or have no ability to support your opinions...it's that you don't have enough free time to do so. Yeah. Right.
Call me lazy. I don't mind a good discussion but I aint got time for all that
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:22 am to Choupique19
quote:Correct.
You are spouting off a 10 year record for Les Miles. Outstanding.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:27 am to mmcgrath
quote:
Since Saban's players left, the offense has greatly under-performed relative to their talent.
Does anyone ever remember hearing this phrase used anywhere prior to Miles winning big in 2005, 2006 and 2007? It certainly was not used in 2009 when Saban took a host of Mike Shula's players and won the title with BAMA.
In short...this isn't an actual thing. In 2007 those players had been under Miles' for 2 full season not including the 2007 one.
While he did not recruit them, is anyone under the impression he would not have? Is there any reason to think he would not have landed many of the exact same recruits as Saban did given they currently fight over the same guys today?
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:29 am to JaxTiger10
quote:? Doesn't he have like 4 BCS championships?
Saban has 1 sec title and 1 bcs title with his own recruits.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:31 am to ballscaster
quote:
Right. It isn't that you're wrong and/or have no ability to support your opinions...it's that you don't have enough free time to do so. Yeah. Right.
i said I don't care to look it up...are you trying to argue that i don't care? seriously
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:34 am to ballscaster
I've cooled down from wanting to attend a rally for his immediate removal. He needs to get the team playing better plain and simple. If they can't improve throughout the season, then why believe they will improve in the Spring/Summer? If he finishes with a losing record, he needs to make some changes to the staff. (Looking at you Chavis) He won't be bought out and I seriously doubt Michigan comes after him. I will give him credit in that he has made some changes that improved the team for the folliwng season in the past. Hopefully this team turns an about face and starts tearing shite up, though I am very pessimistic about this happening. This season is going to be rough, but I will start looking for improvement in our future stars. If it's there, then at least there is something to be positive about.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:34 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:To be fair, I meant it moreso to mark the dropoff point than to say it has to do with the level of talent Miles has brought in.quote:Does anyone ever remember hearing this phrase used anywhere prior to Miles winning big in 2005, 2006 and 2007? It certainly was not used in 2009 when Saban took a host of Mike Shula's players and won the title with BAMA.
Since Saban's players left,
In short...this isn't an actual thing. In 2007 those players had been under Miles' for 2 full season not including the 2007 one.
While he did not recruit them, is anyone under the impression he would not have? Is there any reason to think he would not have landed many of the exact same recruits as Saban did given they currently fight over the same guys today?
Miles has brought in a slew of NFL players, but they are either a bad mix or Les has been a bad influence for a while. Through 2007 we had very good to excellent offenses, and since then they have been aweful to bad. 2013 They were "good", but that was a year with NFL talent all over our offense including many seniors.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:36 am to Mr. Wayne
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I've cooled down from wanting to attend a rally for his immediate removal. He needs to get the team playing better plain and simple. If they can't improve throughout the season, then why believe they will improve in the Spring/Summer? If he finishes with a losing record, he needs to make some changes to the staff. (Looking at you Chavis) He won't be bought out and I seriously doubt Michigan comes after him. I will give him credit in that he has made some changes that improved the team for the folliwng season in the past. Hopefully this team turns an about face and starts tearing shite up, though I am very pessimistic about this happening. This season is going to be rough, but I will start looking for improvement in our future stars. If it's there, then at least there is something to be positive about.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:38 am to ballscaster
ballslicker; dr
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:40 am to mmcgrath
quote:
Doesn't he have like 4 BCS championships?
Yes...the issue is "with his players."
In 2003 he won the title with some hold overs from Dinardo.
In 2009 and 2011 he won with Mike Shula recruits in significant positions.
2012, in his 6th year, was the first time he won with ONLY his players...
Now, this isn;t my argument, as I find it stupid to suggest his players versus another's players, but since some find that illustrative...
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:46 am to mmcgrath
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Through 2007 we had very good to excellent offenses, and since then they have been aweful to bad. 2013 They were "good", but that was a year with NFL talent all over our offense including many seniors.
So to be clear...2013 only rises to "good" for you?
In 2013, LSU was the first team in SEC history that featured a 3,000 yard passer, a thousand yard rusher, and two thousand yards receivers. Hill had over 1,400 yards ranking in the Top 3 greatest seasons in LSU history.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:53 am to JaxTiger10
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Lsu just set an sec record on offense last year.
What record? An obscure record that has nothing to do with total yards or points. We finished 33rd in the nation last year. That means that this super talented offense loaded with NFL talent was outperformed by 32 teams nationwide last year. And that is what we are hanging our hat on. Woo-hoo, we're number 33!
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:23 am to Choupique19
The problem with your math, circular logic, and refusal to address any current concerns is that you are focused only on the PAST. Did you watch the 2014 team play last week? Did you see the game plan and lack of execution? Did you notice that these gave our team no chance? Do you want better for the program than that? I certainly hope so, because I do.
Does that mean that we don't appreciate what Les did for the past 9 years? No, it doesn't. Certainly Les deserves credit for his record and the chance to right the ship, but that should be a time and performance delimited offer.
Your logic to support Les and never address the issues leads to a conclusion that we have all seen. There is a recent case study in this exact behavior. Witness what happened at Texas the past 4 years. After losing to Bama in the '10 BCS CG, Mack Brown's team slowly fell apart and became an also ran. They should have made a change at the HC position earlier, but people like you were supporting Brown until the bitter end. They stated the same facts - Mack also had a great 10 year run, a MNC, and great recruiting. His supporters made the exact same argument you are making today - he did it before, he'll get it turned around. In the end, they waited too long to make a move. Now look at them. Its going to take several years to rebuild their program. Is that the end result that you want for your team and your school?
Does that mean that we don't appreciate what Les did for the past 9 years? No, it doesn't. Certainly Les deserves credit for his record and the chance to right the ship, but that should be a time and performance delimited offer.
Your logic to support Les and never address the issues leads to a conclusion that we have all seen. There is a recent case study in this exact behavior. Witness what happened at Texas the past 4 years. After losing to Bama in the '10 BCS CG, Mack Brown's team slowly fell apart and became an also ran. They should have made a change at the HC position earlier, but people like you were supporting Brown until the bitter end. They stated the same facts - Mack also had a great 10 year run, a MNC, and great recruiting. His supporters made the exact same argument you are making today - he did it before, he'll get it turned around. In the end, they waited too long to make a move. Now look at them. Its going to take several years to rebuild their program. Is that the end result that you want for your team and your school?
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:45 am to ballscaster
How's this year going?
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:18 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:Of course you don't. Hardly any of you do. I wouldn't want to sift through a bunch of shite that proved that smartass ballscaster right, either. Looking it up isn't an activity that the Negatigers practice regularly.
i said I don't care to look it up
That's sort of my whole point. CORFing combined with ignorance.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:20 pm to Mr. Wayne
quote:A perfectly reasonable mix of optimism, skepticism, and basic applied knowledge.
I will give him credit in that he has made some changes that improved the team for the folliwng season in the past. Hopefully this team turns an about face and starts tearing shite up, though I am very pessimistic about this happening. This season is going to be rough, but I will start looking for improvement in our future stars. If it's there, then at least there is something to be positive about.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:23 pm to Katy Tiger
quote:
Did you watch the 2014 team play last week?
quote:Took you two sentences to fall on your face.
The problem with your math, circular logic, and refusal to address any current concerns is that you are focused only on the PAST.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:24 pm to BeeFense5
quote:
I used to enjoy reading this guy's posts until he started shitting on the LSU football program with every post.
Yep. I wish I could read through some of these threads without having to read his same pessimistic shite every 4th post.
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