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re: Is Sean Payton over rated?
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:07 pm to Cajun Revolution
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:07 pm to Cajun Revolution
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He is extremely overrated but don't tell a bunch of saintards that. Most hard headed SOB in the league. Now people have caught up to the offense. His personnel has gotten old. His D sucks. But Saints act like he is a genius. I want to see what he does with an average QB.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:09 pm to Brandincookem
Name 5 better coaches
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:17 pm to hikingfan
Payton's last good season was 2011. He's a below average playcaller and offensive coordinator now. Stubborn, undisciplined, and overconfident.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:19 pm to SirWinston
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He's a below average playcaller and offensive coordinator now.
below average?
do you even know what that means, alejanrdro?
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:20 pm to Lester Earl
For argument's sake,
1. Carroll
2. Harbaugh
3. Harbaugh
4. Belicheck
5. Chuck Pagano
I'm not saying these guys are necessarily better than Payton, but I'm just stating them for argument's sake.
1. Carroll
2. Harbaugh
3. Harbaugh
4. Belicheck
5. Chuck Pagano
I'm not saying these guys are necessarily better than Payton, but I'm just stating them for argument's sake.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:22 pm to SirWinston
Nope correction 2009. Our offense didn't explode until Carmichael took over, in fact we were struggling ON THE ROAD(yet again) before he got hurt in that game.
He made his name off 2009 and will forever ride free because of it
I'm not saying fire him but even Tom Landry was let go. Can't last forever
He made his name off 2009 and will forever ride free because of it
I'm not saying fire him but even Tom Landry was let go. Can't last forever
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:26 pm to SabiDojo
Belichik is the only one you can truly 100% say is better
Jim Harbaugh has never won a SB, neither has Pagano. Pagano's teams are 1-2 in the playoffs, and he missed most of his first season as coach with cancer on a team that went 11-5.
John Harbaugh's credentials are almost identical. 64% winning percentage, 1 Super Bowl.
Pete Carrol has a 55% career win percentage, has won 1 Super Bowl. He's done well H2H vs Payton, however. He was fired once, just shows you how fickle people are over NFL coaches.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:26 pm to Brandincookem
Payton has even admitted several times that he's done a bad job of sticking with the run. He admitted it 2013 after he returned from his suspension and claimed to have learned things from watching. Then he said it twice last season and he's already said it once this season.
Yet he constantly passes way to much and eschews the run despite the Saints needing to protect their defense, despite the Saints having one of the best YPC averages in the NFL, despite the Saints having one of the best stables of RB's in the NFL.
It's infuriating. Better playcalling would have us at 4-1 right now and better playcalling would have had us as the #1 seed in the NFC last season. The losses at New England, NY Jets and at Carolina last year were each on Payton. The losses at Atlanta and Cleveland this year were each on Payton.
Yet he constantly passes way to much and eschews the run despite the Saints needing to protect their defense, despite the Saints having one of the best YPC averages in the NFL, despite the Saints having one of the best stables of RB's in the NFL.
It's infuriating. Better playcalling would have us at 4-1 right now and better playcalling would have had us as the #1 seed in the NFC last season. The losses at New England, NY Jets and at Carolina last year were each on Payton. The losses at Atlanta and Cleveland this year were each on Payton.
This post was edited on 10/18/14 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:27 pm to Brandincookem
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in fact we were struggling ON THE ROAD(yet again) before he got hurt in that game.
when who got hurt?
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:28 pm to SirWinston
Name 20 offensive minds better than Payton in the NFL right now.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:30 pm to lsutigers1992
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quote:
"The Best Coaches in the NFL. Period" don't have those 2 glaring and large problems.
Outside of Coughlin and Belichick, you cannot name an NFL coach who isn't flawed and deserves the benefit of the doubt.
not sure if serious ...
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:30 pm to Lester Earl
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Jim Harbaugh has never won a SB, neither has Pagano. Pagano's teams are 1-2 in the playoffs, and he missed most of his first season as coach with cancer on a team that went 11-5.
Jim has won well in SF, and he did inherit a great roster.
Pagano is a great coach. He's a fantastic defensive mind.
Are they better than Payton? I don't think so, but they are certainly doing a better job than Payton this season.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:30 pm to Lester Earl
Ron Rivera makes better decisions than Sean Payton over the past 16 regular season games. Are you blind?
Should I remind you of Sean Payton's explanation for the dumbest playcall that we've ever seen? The explanation that somehow makes the call even worse?
Worst playcall ever
Yeah, let's have our fricking punter roll out with a single read against a punt safe and throw the first pass of his NFL career while Drew Brees stands on the bench.
Not even Les Miles can approach that level of stupidity and arrogance.
Should I remind you of Sean Payton's explanation for the dumbest playcall that we've ever seen? The explanation that somehow makes the call even worse?
Worst playcall ever
quote:
"It's something we've had up for a while. Even against their safe look, it was something we thought would have a chance," said Saints coach Sean Payton. "There was some misdirection involved, and they played it pretty well."
Yeah, let's have our fricking punter roll out with a single read against a punt safe and throw the first pass of his NFL career while Drew Brees stands on the bench.
Not even Les Miles can approach that level of stupidity and arrogance.
This post was edited on 10/18/14 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:32 pm to SirWinston
Name 20 offensive minds that are better than payton
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:33 pm to Lester Earl
Yes, Lester - I'm going to sit here and do that for you.
Take Payton's cock out of your mouth. He's horrible and has been horrible for over a year.
Take Payton's cock out of your mouth. He's horrible and has been horrible for over a year.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:35 pm to SabiDojo
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Are they better than Payton? I don't think so, but they are certainly doing a better job than Payton this season.
this season hasn't gone as planned, but his track record speaks for itself.
There hasn't been a coach in any sport during the internet age that idiots haven't called for their head.
yea, he called a terrible fake punt against the cowboys. Im sure he regrets it.
Yea they play close games on the road. So does every team in the NFL. Its fricking hard to win on the road, against. And his W/L on the road is not as bad as people let on.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:39 pm to SirWinston
I'm not blowing him. You said he was below average. That is clearly you talking out of your arse as usual. You were blaming Drew Brees a few years ago, now all of a sudden its Sean Payton. Make up your mind.
I don't care if you have an opinion, but at least have something you can stand on.
I don't care if you have an opinion, but at least have something you can stand on.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:41 pm to Lester Earl
I'm not replying to LE, just replying in general. As far as the road woes, that only started last year and the majority of those games were pretty close. People bashing his assistant coaches and saying he doesn't develop talent like on defense, wide receiver, etc are in my mind making him sound like an even better coach, in some fricked up way.
He is one of the most winningest coaches since he started from one of the worst franchises in history and did it all with nothing but a good, but according to this thread, overrated QB. If a coach, with horrible assistants, horrible players, can do what he has done I would say he is a pretty good coach.
He is one of the most winningest coaches since he started from one of the worst franchises in history and did it all with nothing but a good, but according to this thread, overrated QB. If a coach, with horrible assistants, horrible players, can do what he has done I would say he is a pretty good coach.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:42 pm to Lester Earl
Let me borrow your trend of asking annoying questions
Would you disagree that better playcalling alone would have delivered victories in the following games...
@ New England
@ NY Jets
@ Carolina
@ Atlanta
@ Cleveland
I believe we averaged over 4.5 YPC in each of those games save for the Jets. I believe we had 2nd half leads and 4th quarter leads in each of those games. I believe that unbelievably bad playcalling in each of those games accounted for (what should be) a once-in-a-season type of cataclysmic momentum change.
It the same old shite that Parcells used to punish Payton for - he gets too cute, thinks he's the smartest guy in the NFL, and he mucks shite up. He takes games that are winnable (or nearly won) and shits them away with unnecessarily aggressive or shortsighted playcalls.
Would you disagree that better playcalling alone would have delivered victories in the following games...
@ New England
@ NY Jets
@ Carolina
@ Atlanta
@ Cleveland
I believe we averaged over 4.5 YPC in each of those games save for the Jets. I believe we had 2nd half leads and 4th quarter leads in each of those games. I believe that unbelievably bad playcalling in each of those games accounted for (what should be) a once-in-a-season type of cataclysmic momentum change.
It the same old shite that Parcells used to punish Payton for - he gets too cute, thinks he's the smartest guy in the NFL, and he mucks shite up. He takes games that are winnable (or nearly won) and shits them away with unnecessarily aggressive or shortsighted playcalls.
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