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re: Very interested in hearing the Miles-bashers' answers about the future
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:31 pm to lsu mike
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:31 pm to lsu mike
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Exactly. I don't give a shite how miles w/l record compares to the awful and not so awful coaches we've had over the past 30 years. They also weren't getting paid 4+ mil a year either.
bingo. nor did we have the facilities then either that we have now.
record means jack sprat to me. i want hardware.
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:32 pm to Geauxgurt
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My point is that people put too much stock in one statistic. Les is a good coach, but extremely flawed. His flaw is what really keeps this team from consistently being a contender past October most seasons.
first name one coach, other than saban, who has made it to the national championship twice in his tenure. Not many do it in the NCAA. Only Saban has done it in the SEC (who still coaches in the SEC)
What are most coaches primarily judged on. Winning percentage. Miles has one of the best, now all of a sudden because this argument doesn't support your hatred of Miles you want to change we evaluate them.
It's pretty simple if Miles wins he stays, if he starts to lose more often he will eventually be shown the door.
one 4 or 5 loss season won't do it. Strings of them will.
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:32 pm to dgnx6
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I don't know what LSU program some of you have watched growing up. But its always been a run first tough defense mentality. The set up hasn't really changed, we had to pump money in, we were getting left behind and any one could see that. Saban wasn't some fricking genius that came up with this concept. Dinardo started landing the recruits, saban turned it up a notch and les has continued success while also taking LSU to new heights. Our winning percentage is 20% higher than from 1980-2004.
So you pick the dark years of LSU 3 winning seasons from 1989 to 1999 as a measure for Les? How about looking at Saban's years and Miles at LSU:
Saban had a 74% winning percentage up from DiNardo's 58% (16% increase).
Miles has improved 6% from a team that Saban rebuilt. Not earth shattering. Since the last NC, Miles is at 77%, a whopping 3% better than Saban who was rebuilding a program.
DiNardo went up 20% from his predecessors, so he must be LSU's best coach.
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:36 pm to AlwysATgr
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His current approach isn't going to compete very often for championships (once since '08).
So who has been in the championship discussion more often? Take Saban away from Bama and how does the landscape look? It's really unfortunate that Mile has to be compared to a coach in the midst of one of the most impressive tenures years in college football history.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:36 pm to Lsupimp
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Nothing screams "unexpected losses" quite like 44 wins in the previous four seasons. Am I right?
the list of games since 2005 has been put here before. go look it up yourself.
and the reasons for those losses are the reasons i have laid out before here. Don't believe me? go back and watch every game and then get back with me. hell, miles has been outcoached in plenty wins...ugly wins. he has gotten by on talent.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:37 pm to Fat Bastard
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record means jack sprat to me. i want hardware.
this is logically inconsistent. You can't get a hardware without records. Do you want one championship than losing seasons at all other times? Behind Bama, who has one of the greatest runs in college football history, LSU has constantly under Miles had the best record in the SEC. It is unrealistic to demand championships every year from a coach. Not even Bama can do that. Again compare miles to other SEC coaches. 3 in 7 years is the stuff of legends. But people are complaining that Miles only has one and lost once in the championship. So in a 9 year tenure he has one 1 championship and lost 1 championship. Can you name anyone who has a better resume than that?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:39 pm to Fat Bastard
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I want hardware
As in a degree from LSU?
Last time I checked they didn't give SEC or NC rings to front running douche bag fans
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:40 pm to catholictigerfan
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first name one coach, other than saban, who has made it to the national championship twice in his tenure. Not many do it in the NCAA. Only Saban has done it in the SEC (who still coaches in the SEC)
So now you ignore what Meyer did because he left to tOSU.
Chizik and Malzhan achieved the sames # of titles and NC appearances as Les in the last 4 years what took Les 7 years to accomplish.
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:41 pm to 1984Tiger
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Take Saban away from Bama and how does the landscape look?
oh here we go again.....we want to be the best but yet we cannot compare ourselves with the best
since pumpers rely on just looking at the W or L column instead of understanding how football and the process of performance works....ok, i'll play your game.....
meyer 2 nattys
fisher 1 natty
chesedick 1 natty
spurrier 1 natty
stoops 1 natty
coker 1 natty
fulmer 1 natty
that's how the landscape looks and has looked.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:43 pm to Fat Bastard
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we want to be the best but yet we cannot compare ourselves
You clearly don't get it, but that doesn't surprise me.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:43 pm to The Lou
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front running douche bag fans
Not necessary bro. Just make an argument.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:44 pm to ballscaster
34-3 for offensive points in the 4th quarter
that's absurd
that's absurd
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:48 pm to ballscaster
fwiw miles gets more opportunities than those before him to win more games. the schedule is at the longest that it has ever been. Also the schedule has 3 or 4 depending on the year cream puffs for him to feast on. Another issue with these stats is the state of the program when a coach received it. Miles received LSU as it was starting a golden age. Saban had won a nc and brought in 1 full recruiting cycle of studs. So yes Les has done good for a while managing us but we are starting to slip and looking at the raw numbers isn't a good argument.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:50 pm to heartbreakTiger
of course miles is at least top 3 as far as coaches go. 1. saban 2. paul d 3. miles 4. mac
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:50 pm to Lsupimp
You know what's not necessary?...
People with no true affiliations to the university asking for the removal of the head coach who has done nothing more than field teams of the highest caliber over the past decade. It's a game.
People with no true affiliations to the university asking for the removal of the head coach who has done nothing more than field teams of the highest caliber over the past decade. It's a game.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:52 pm to monsterballads
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34-3 for offensive points in the 4th quarter
that's absurd
quiet negatiger, it proves miles is elite at preparation and management for the sec home opener at night!!!!
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:53 pm to The Lou
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no true affiliations to the university
You know who now sounds like a douchebag?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:53 pm to 1984Tiger
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You clearly don't get it,
irony
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:56 pm to heartbreakTiger
What you forget is that Les is the only LSU Coach who also happened to Coach at the same time Auburn, Florida and Florida were winning titles. That's a historical unpleasantly that one has to factor in. Only ONE TEAM in the country got ALL THREE every year. It's a hyper-competitive environment and LSU is the only one of those four programs that has not nose-dived since 2005. He may have bigger advantages off the field but he also faces bigger challenges on the field. This isn't the 90's with a bunch of mediocre teams and one Florida. A Florida I might add that won, what one title under Spurrier? shite, fire Spurrier.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:57 pm to Fat Bastard
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Exactly. I don't give a shite how miles w/l record compares to the awful and not so awful coaches we've had over the past 30 years. They also weren't getting paid 4+ mil a year either.
bingo. nor did we have the facilities then either that we have now.
record means jack sprat to me. i want hardware.
and we play more games now. that's 3 advantages miles had.
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