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re: If a Roman Legion had 10,000 men......

Posted on 9/5/14 at 12:49 am to
Posted by Mud_Till_May
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 12:49 am to
I see your 155mm howitzer and raise you 1 Davey Crockett

Posted by tigerclaw10
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 12:49 am to
Hand to hand wise, seals would still win. Bigger stronger men that are much better nourished.
Posted by Mud_Till_May
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 12:52 am to
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Hand to hand wise, seals would still win. Bigger stronger men that are much better nourished.


You'd be the first to go tigerclaw
Posted by forksup
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 12:53 am to
Fixed the original for accuracy
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 12:53 am to
Why do you assume Roman soldiers aren't strong and tough? There's nothing magical about modern man other than nutrition, and a Roman's lifetime of training will easily overcome any size difference, which is probably overstated anyway. At one point there was a height requirement, I think around 5'9".
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 12:54 am to
So angel vs SEALS?
Posted by RadBro
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 12:55 am to
Bookmarked. Will read when not shitfaced. Aka English class.
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Posted by BottomlandBrew I think there's a movie in the works based on this sort of scenario. An "AskReddit" post a while back asked how a modern MEU would perform against the Roman army. Some guy responded with a fictional answer, and then a movie studio picked it up. Reddit Thread Rome, Sweet Rome.
Posted by foshizzle
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 1:13 am to
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how many Navy Seals with how many SUV's and what sort of weaponry would it take to take them out and how long would it take? I'm looking for the least amount of seals, SUVs, and weapons to do the job. Pretend Donald Rumsfeld was budgeting this endeavor. What could he get away with to pull it off?



Too many unspecified variables to answer this question.

Do the SEAL's have flamethrowers or air support? Or are they just winging it with whatever rounds they can carry?

If they have SUV's they can just run over the legionnaires repeatedly ... until they run out of gas.
Posted by junior
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 5:58 am to
The height requirement was 5' to 5'6
Any taller and it would mess up their lines/how they fought. Also, bigger people need more calories.


The only thing I can think of w "modern" vs "ancient". Was the Spanish (Pizarro) - again they had less than 200 people vs the incas 80k troops
Posted by member12
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 7:56 am to
Fully staffed Ferguson Police force with Riot gear (drones and armored vans included) and one or two M1 Abrams tanks (with crew) to take out the Roman catapults.
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 8:20 am
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:33 am to
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A better question might be how would 10,000 Seals (or whatever the top group is) fare against that Roman Legion if they were armed with the same arms the Romans used?

The modern guys would have the advantage in nutrition/fitness I would think and probably training but the Romans would have experience with the weapons and related tactics.


I come from the MSB, so I'm fully qualified to answer this question - The Romans would win in a landslide.

Why you ask? The same reason Jordan is better than LeBron and Nicklaus is better than Tiger - because everything was better back in the day...


Posted by ZereauxSum
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:49 am to
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magical scary boom stick


This is the correct answer.

I think someone already said it, but you need 2 guys. They don't even have to be Spec Ops.

One guy drives the SUV around the Romans at a safe distance and the other guy shoots out the window from the back seat.

10 minutes and you've killed a few hundred Romans. The rest break ranks and haul arse. You win.
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 8:51 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:49 am to
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Only United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group (SEAL Team 6) and 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta are Tier 1 groups


Unfortunately, these are the groups people think of when they hear the word "Seal". Line teams of Seals, Rangers, Army Special Forces, are all highly qualified, motivated and skilled operators, but they are not this all-star team as the public perceives them.

DEVGRU and Delta recruit (by invitation) from all the above groups. Delta goes one step further - they tell everyone they encounter they're "Navy Seals" - as a big joke.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:58 am to
quote:

The only thing I can think of w "modern" vs "ancient". Was the Spanish (Pizarro) - again they had less than 200 people vs the incas 80k troops

British in Africa?
Posted by TigerDeacon
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:08 am to
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One guy drives the SUV around the Romans at a safe distance and the other guy shoots out the window from the back seat.


Where you going to drive that SUV? No improved roads.
Posted by sevenpercent
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:16 am to
Average Roman soldier was between 5 feet and 5 1/2 feet tall. Fwiw

Or so says the internetz
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 9:17 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:18 am to
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British in Africa?


Various colonial struggles in Africa - most ended up badly for the natives.

However, the Brits went up against the Zulu several times - and, despite their relative lack of modern military equipment or formal military education, the Zulu tended to be far more effective on the battlefield, than one might expect.

Battle of Isandlwana

This battle had a force of 20k Zulu overwhelm a technologically superior, but poorly led and trained British expeditionary force of 1,800 - the Brits had repeating rifles and 2 mountain guns. It was fictionalized in the film, Zulu Dawn (1979).
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 9:20 am
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:33 am to
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Mud_Till_May
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Do you guys realize what 10,000 men could do? I don't mean hardened well trained roman soldiers, I mean just 10,000 men. If they didn't bug out and went in with just knives they would decimate an 8-14 man squad. Even if they were dug in with machine guns, there is no way that they could come close to keep from getting over run by a whole division of men. Hell, they could circle the wagons but it still wouldn't help.

During Vietnam this is exactly what happen. The Chinese sent so many troops south that they over ran the Americans and took back control of Saigon. Many of them didn't have weapons. It was a suicide mission for a lot of them. The enemy attacked so fast toward the south that it out ran its supply chain, they had to slow down the attack to wait for them to catchup.

In Korea the North Korean soldiers would climb on top of tanks looking anywhere to drop in an explosive. To counter this one tank would radio to another to "scratch his back" then he would use the light machine gun to spray the other tanks shell with bullets to take care of the problem.


Quoted because this is the only real answer in here. The rest is just B.S.

You might need almost 1,000 SEALS, unless you set up the encounter to give the SEALS all the advantages. First think you need is a shitload of ammunition.

If each side was aware of the other and in entrenched positions across a battle field, I give the Seals 10 - 1, maybe 20 - 1 advantage based on modern weaponry.
Posted by Count Chocula
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:37 am to
1 of these

3 overhead passes

10,000 dead



Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:39 am to
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During Vietnam this is exactly what happen. The Chinese sent so many troops south that they over ran the Americans and took back control of Saigon.


Chinese?

(Forget it - he's rolling.)
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