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re: Why is Archie Manning going down as a great quarterback?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:16 am to Jake88
Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:16 am to Jake88
Hell no if you saw him in college he was great. if he had an offensive line, his stats would have been outstanding. I still have his saints jersey. Still fits and looks good. Wore it last week to my wife's dismay
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:21 am to Jack Daniel
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He has this legacy (worshipped by ole miss people) as one of the greatest quarterbacks and I don't understand why.
Ask someone who isn't a total Ole Miss/Saints slappy and report back.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:27 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
If Manning had this, if Manning had that, blah, blah, blah. I can only comment on his pro career and it was mediocre save for one to two years. Coulda, shoulda, woulda holds no weight. He didn't.
Oh, and I still have a Flexkateers t-shirt that is now two sizes too small and my wife would kill me if I wore it.
Oh, and I still have a Flexkateers t-shirt that is now two sizes too small and my wife would kill me if I wore it.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 8:32 am
Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:29 am to TigerBait1127
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No, but you can compare his passing stats to his peers at the time.
True and he was also a SEC player of the year and finished in the top 4 of the heisman twice. So he was obviously viewed as somewhat of a standout compared to his peers.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:35 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
Some interesting stats on Archie:
He simply played in a different era than today's game and by all accounts was highly respected among his peers, despite being pretty much the only marquee player on his teams. So by today's standards, no…he wouldn't be considered great. But during his time, he obviously was. The Saints haven't retired his number yet but they also haven't reissued it since 1982.
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Archie was selected in the Major League Baseball draft four times, first in 1967 by the Braves, twice by the White Sox, and finally by the Royals in 1971
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In the first national prime time broadcast of a college football game (1969), Manning threw for 436 yards and three touchdowns, also rushing for 104 yards
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In both 1969 and 1970, he was named to the All-SEC team and his No. 18 jersey was retired by Ole Miss
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In 1969, Manning was Mississippi Sportsman of the Year and recipient of the Nashville Banner Trophy as Most Valuable Player in the Southeastern Conference in addition to winning the Walter Camp Memorial Trophy.
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He was fourth in the Heisman Trophy voting in 1969 and third in 1970. Manning was inducted to the College Football Hall of Fame in 1989.
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Manning's legacy is honored to this day on the campus of Ole Miss where the speed limit is eighteen miles per hour in honor of Manning's jersey number.
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In 1972 he led the league in pass attempts and completions and led the National Football Conference in passing yards, though the team's record was only 2–11–1.
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In 1978, he was named the NFC Player of the Year by UPI after leading the Saints to a 7–9 record. That same year, Archie was also named All-NFC by both the UPI and The Sporting News. Manning was selected to the Pro Bowl in 1978 and 1979.
He simply played in a different era than today's game and by all accounts was highly respected among his peers, despite being pretty much the only marquee player on his teams. So by today's standards, no…he wouldn't be considered great. But during his time, he obviously was. The Saints haven't retired his number yet but they also haven't reissued it since 1982.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:39 am to XKEnut
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Best college QB I ever saw and I've been a Tiger fan for more than 50 years.
Yep he brought tears to my eyes twice. Just like Eli he took shitty Ole Miss teams and made them competitive.
Stats don't always tell the whole story.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:42 am to Jack Daniel
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Why is Archie Manning going down as a great quarterback?
Why is Joe Montana considered a great quarterback?
He isn't in the top 10 for career passing yards or passing touchdowns.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:46 am to SportsGuyNOLA
No, but is his TD:INT ratio similar?
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 9:01 am
Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:46 am to roygu
By OP's standards, Billy Cannon was an average player. He won the Heisman with less than 1000 Yards from scrimmage. That sucks! 
different game!
different game!Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:48 am to TinCupTiger
I agree you cannot compare passing yards and attempts to today's quarterbacks. But look at his INT percentage per yards or touchdowns. It's too high! INT's thrown has nothing to do with his supporting cast
Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:49 am to SportsGuyNOLA
Uh Joe Montana was near the top in almost every single category compared to his peers for a large # of years.
Archie was not
And with the Saints best team during his time (1979) as QB, with 5 pro bowlers on offense, he had a pretty shitty year
Archie was not
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marquee player on his teams
And with the Saints best team during his time (1979) as QB, with 5 pro bowlers on offense, he had a pretty shitty year
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 8:52 am
Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:51 am to Jack Daniel
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I agree you cannot compare passing yards and attempts to today's quarterbacks. But look at his INT percentage per yards or touchdowns. It's too high! INT's thrown has nothing to do with his supporting cast
...what was his tears/INT ratio?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:53 am to brgfather129
I don't get it
Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:56 am to Jack Daniel
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INT's thrown has nothing to do with his supporting cast
WAT
The better question is what's your agenda against Archie?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:58 am to TinCupTiger
His genes alone make him a great
Posted on 9/3/14 at 8:59 am to TinCupTiger
None. Just have always heard about how great he was and never really questioned it. Then I was watching SEC network the other day of a replay of '97 Tennessee versus auburn and they showed a graphic comparing Archie's college career stats versus Peyton's and it was embarrassing. So I looked up his stats and I came up with this question
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:05 am to Jack Daniel
Bro…they played in two different eras. You can't compare their stats to each other. So how did you look up his stats and simply gloss over all of the stats I posted above and choose to ignore them?
Again, I'm no Archie apologist but I can recognize the fact that what he did….in his day….was outstanding. Would he be considered great? Maybe not. But he definitely wasn't the hot garbage you're trying to make him out to be.
Again, I'm no Archie apologist but I can recognize the fact that what he did….in his day….was outstanding. Would he be considered great? Maybe not. But he definitely wasn't the hot garbage you're trying to make him out to be.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:14 am to roygu
In 1969, Archie threw for 1762 yds, 9 TDs, 9 INTs, and also rushed for 504 yds and 14 TDs. In the first nationally broadcast college football game, he threw for 436 yds and 3 TDs, while rushing for 102 yds. Those were gargantuan numbers at the time.
ETA: Those were huge numbers in the SEC. Nationally, Dennis Shaw from SDSU threw for 3185 yds, 39 TDs, 26 INTs, while rushing for an additional 6 TDs. He threw for 14 more TDs than anyone else in the NCAA, and amassed 12 more total TDs than anyone in the country that year.
ETA: Those were huge numbers in the SEC. Nationally, Dennis Shaw from SDSU threw for 3185 yds, 39 TDs, 26 INTs, while rushing for an additional 6 TDs. He threw for 14 more TDs than anyone else in the NCAA, and amassed 12 more total TDs than anyone in the country that year.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 9:24 am
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:21 am to slackster
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Those were gargantuan numbers at the time.
3rd in the conference in yards
5th in touchdowns
6th in interceptions
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 9:24 am
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:25 am to Jack Daniel
Im sorry, I know the game was way different back then. But if you are on average throwing more picks then touchdowns, then you are not some amazing quarterback that people are making him out to be. Maybe for his time, he was one of the best. But that just says everybody sucked back then
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