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First Comprehensive Study about CO Legalization Released
Posted on 8/25/14 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 8/25/14 at 10:08 pm
LINK
A couple of points (this study is huge though):
Some pretty telling stats, but it seems people in CO love pot, and that the state has not gone to pot in the coming months since the inception of legalization.
There are negatives associated with any policy, but this study does not talk about the money saved from nonincarceration efforts and policing efforts, which would affect the budgetary issue. Also, the THC potency increase is
A couple of points (this study is huge though):
quote:
Section 1 – Impaired Driving:
• Traffic fatalities involving operators testing positive for marijuana have
increased 100 percent from 2007 to 2012.
• The majority of driving-under-the-influence-of-drugs arrests involve marijuana
and 25 to 40 percent were marijuana alone.
• Toxicology reports with positive marijuana results for driving under the
influence have increased 16 percent from 2011 to 2013.
quote:
Section 2 – Youth Marijuana Use:
• In 2012, 10.47 percent of youth ages 12 to 17 were considered current marijuana
users compared to 7.55 percent nationally. Colorado, ranked 4th in the nation,
was 39 percent higher than the national average.
• Drug-related suspensions/expulsions increased 32 percent from school years
2008/2009 through 2012/2013. The vast majority were for marijuana violations.
Section 3 – Adult Marijuana Use:
• In 2012, 26.81 percent of college age students (ages 18 – 25 years) were
considered current marijuana users compared to 18.89 percent nationally.
Colorado, ranked 3rd in the nation, was 42 percent higher than the national
average.
• In 2012, 7.63 percent of adults ages 26 and over were considered current
marijuana users compared to 5.05 percent nationally. Colorado, ranked 7th in the
nation, was 51 percent higher than the national average.
• In 2013, 48.4 percent of Denver adult arrestees tested positive for marijuana
which is a 16 percent increase from 2008.
Section 4 – Emergency Room Marijuana Admissions:
• From 2011 through 2013, there was a 57 percent increase in marijuana-related
emergency room visits.
• Hospitalizations related to marijuana have increased 82 percent from 2008 to
2013.
• In 2012, the City of Denver rate for marijuana-related emergency visits was 45
percent higher than the rate in Colorado
quote:
Section 8 – Diversion by Parcel:
• U.S. Mail parcel interceptions, with Colorado marijuana destined for 33 other
states, increased 1,280 percent from 2010 to 2013.
• U.S. Mail pounds of Colorado marijuana seized, destined for 33 other states,
increased 762 percent from 2010 to 2013.
Section 9 – THC Extraction Labs:
• In 2013, there were 12 THC extraction lab explosions and in the first half of 2014
the amount more than doubled.
• In 2013, there were 18 injuries from THC extraction labs and in the first half of
2014 there were 27 injuries.
Section 10 – Related Data:
• Overall, crime in Denver increased 6.7 percent from the first six months of 2013
to the first six months of 2014.
• The number of pets poisoned from ingesting marijuana has increased four-fold
in the past six years.
• Colorado estimates for annual revenue from the sale of recreational marijuana
varies from $65 million (.6 percent of all expected general fund revenue) to $118
million (1.2 percent of all expected general fund revenue)
• The majority of counties and cities in Colorado have banned recreational
marijuana businesses
• THC potency has risen from an average of 3.96 percent in 1995 to an average of
12.33 percent in 2013
Some pretty telling stats, but it seems people in CO love pot, and that the state has not gone to pot in the coming months since the inception of legalization.
There are negatives associated with any policy, but this study does not talk about the money saved from nonincarceration efforts and policing efforts, which would affect the budgetary issue. Also, the THC potency increase is
Posted on 8/25/14 at 11:21 pm to CherryGarciaMan
quote:I would only note that these figures are coming from an entity that is forbidden by law from producing anything that might paint legalization in a positive light. LINK
The High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area program (HIDTA) is a drug-prohibition enforcement program run by the United States Office of National Drug Control Policy.
EDIT: This is some knee-slappingly hilarious stuff. In the span of a few pages, they knit together that awful Northwestern brain voxel study (complete with fraudulent scare quote), Maureen Dowd's bad trip, and some 2012 predictions about youth marijuana use that have already been disproven. Followed by a whole chapter on "marijuana-related" ER admissions, which is a statistical favorite among the prohibitionist set because all it means is that someone admitted for any reason (say, for a broken bone or a URI) either tested positive for weed or admitted to being a user to their doctor. DEMON. WEED.
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 8/25/14 at 11:31 pm to CherryGarciaMan
quote:
Traffic fatalities involving operators testing positive for marijuana have
increased 100 percent from 2007 to 2012.
WTF? Pot wasn't legalized for recreational use until December 2012.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 11:33 pm to Asgard Device
quote:
WTF? Pot wasn't legalized for recreational use until December 2012.
Yeah. I didn't understand the time stuff. Seemed to be a non-starter.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 11:36 pm to the808bass
Their whole thing was basically broken down into three periods.
Pre 07
07-2012 (07 was medical)
2013-present
Pre 07
07-2012 (07 was medical)
2013-present
Posted on 8/25/14 at 11:38 pm to CherryGarciaMan
I believe all of these studies are dealing with way too small a sample size to truly measure the impact of legalization of pot in Colorado.
Let's see what the impact is in 5 years - good or bad.
Let's see what the impact is in 5 years - good or bad.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 11:39 pm to CherryGarciaMan
I see that now. Thanks for pointing that out. It makes more sense.
I'd be interested in seeing labor productivity numbers from 2007-2013 for Colorado (esp. 2010-2013).
I'd be interested in seeing labor productivity numbers from 2007-2013 for Colorado (esp. 2010-2013).
Posted on 8/25/14 at 11:41 pm to the808bass
quote:
I'd be interested in seeing labor productivity numbers
None of these numbers interest me.
I already know I support freedom.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 11:45 pm to Asgard Device
Legalization had very little effect on usage. Very few weren't smoking because it was illegal.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 11:47 pm to BuckyBadger
quote:
Very few weren't smoking because it was illegal.
The illicit nature of some substances doesn't keep me from using them, it only makes me deal (sometimes) with violent assholes and high prices.
In the same vein, there are substances that I wouldn't use regardless of their legality.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 11:52 pm to HempHead
And if this is the best the opposition can offer in the way of harmful effects of legalization, the path to victory is near.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:00 am to CherryGarciaMan
I'm doing a comprehensive study about WA legalization right now. Results are mostly positive but I'm listening to an alarming amount of Peter Tosh.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:03 am to HempHead
I was specifically referring to weed only. In this age, anyone who either was high school aged in the 60s or was born in that decade isn't fearful of effects or the law. Something like coke, meth, e, etc are a different category.
When I attended UW in the 80s, getting caught on state st smoking a j was a 50 buck fine. Like open intoxicant. You could see people de seeding (this gen doesn't know about shitty mex brown with seeds) an oz in the student union.
Buying: that sucks. I don't pay attention to la, but where you guys stand on getting MM?
When I attended UW in the 80s, getting caught on state st smoking a j was a 50 buck fine. Like open intoxicant. You could see people de seeding (this gen doesn't know about shitty mex brown with seeds) an oz in the student union.
Buying: that sucks. I don't pay attention to la, but where you guys stand on getting MM?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:08 am to CherryGarciaMan
quote:
• Traffic fatalities involving operators testing positive for marijuana have
increased 100 percent from 2007 to 2012.
From 2 to 4?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:12 am to Asgard Device
quote:
None of these numbers interest me. I already know I support freedom.
Freedom is good. But social costs need to be assessed for sound policy. If we assess social costs with our third eye, maybe that gets more exciting?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:25 am to the808bass
quote:
Freedom is good. But social costs
Nah. I pretty much just support freedom. Hurting people and their property would still be illegal.
btw, do you think a study should be performed to assess the social costs of alcohol, sugar, and caffeine? If those social costs are great then they should be illegal?
Hell, our usage of cars as a primary mode of transportation has huge social costs and massive amounts of fatalities + injuries. Mandate public transportation?
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 12:26 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:27 am to Asgard Device
quote:
btw, do you think a study should be performed to assess the social costs of alcohol, sugar, and caffeine? If those social costs are great then they should be illegal?
Who said anything about illegal?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:33 am to the808bass
quote:
Who said anything about illegal?
That's the whole point of this thread. People want to justify reducing freedom because they'll say freedom is leading to undesirable outcomes. People need to "prove" that drug legalization is having positive outcomes.
It's a false dichotomy. You shouldn't have to even have the debate any more than you should have a debate on how to better regulate recreational consumption of sugar.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 12:36 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:34 am to Asgard Device
It wasn't the point of the thread for me.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:50 am to Asgard Device
quote:
It's a false dichotomy. You shouldn't have to even have the debate any more than you should have a debate on how to better regulate recreational consumption of sugar.
Philosophy and political reality are mutually exclusive nowadays.
Our society is complex, and must be dissected in such a manner.
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