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re: Why do hospital workers feel it's OK to wear scrubs to a restaurant?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:14 pm to lsunurse
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:14 pm to lsunurse
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Question 3: Would potential contact of textiles, such as linen or laundry, with unknown body fluids in medical or dental settings where universal precautions are practiced trigger coverage under OSHA's Bloodborne Pathogens Standard at that medical or dental facility? Also, would the contaminated textiles require special handling under the Bloodborne Pathogens Standard?
Reply 3: Pursuant to 29 CFR 1910.1030(a), the Bloodborne Pathogens standard is applicable to all occupational exposure to blood or other potentially infectious material (OPIM), as defined in 29 CFR 1910.1030(b). The definition of OPIM includes saliva in dental procedures, among other things. Occupational exposure is defined as "reasonably anticipated skin, eye, mucous membrane, or parenteral contact with blood or other potentially infectious materials that may result from the performance of an employee's duties." A determination of the duties, tasks, and scope of the employees' work must be done by the employer to assess whether employees have reasonably anticipated exposure to blood or OPIM [29 CFR 1910.1030(c)(2)]. Employers with employees who launder or otherwise handle linen contaminated with blood or OPIM (e.g., housekeeping staff in a healthcare setting; employees in a commercial laundry facility with a contract to launder contaminated linen from medical/dental settings) would be considered to have reasonably anticipated exposure and would be covered by the standard. Blood is often found on linen and laundry in medical facilities, and saliva is often found on such materials in dental offices. With respect to unknown fluids, 29 CFR 1910.1030(d)(1) provides in pertinent part: "Under circumstances in which differentiation between body fluid types is difficult or impossible, all body fluids shall be considered potentially infectious materials." The fact that the contaminated textiles are in a medical or dental facility where universal precautions are practiced would not preclude coverage under the Bloodborne Pathogens Standard.
Medical professionals are not to leave the office in contaminated scrubs per the Bloodborne Pathogen standards. Meaning, if scrubs are the sole layer (no tyvek overcovers) the office is deemed responsible to wash the scrubs either in house or by a third party. Professionals are not to wear contaminated scrubs home or to restaurants.
I do a LOT of OSHA medical training and I'm part of OSAP. We are waiting for the next iteration of the CDC guidelines regarding Bloodborne pathogens and I expect it to be markedly tougher.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:14 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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thesoccerfanjax
Why do you feel its OK to not mind your own business?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:15 pm to Winkface
Only a complete douche wears a white coat outside a hospital.
If I'm going get a few beers after work, ill wear scrubs. Deal with it.
If I'm going get a few beers after work, ill wear scrubs. Deal with it.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:16 pm to Jobu93
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Jobu93
Just letting you know I read your post as if R. Lee Ermey had said it. Good job.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:17 pm to thesoccerfanjax
The only time I wear scrubs out in public is when I'm on call. I always have a clean pair stashed at home in case of an emergency where I may not want to waste time changing. Otherwise I always wear street clothes to the hospital and change when I get there.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:18 pm to thesoccerfanjax
What if they are daycare workers or escapees from a mental institution. Scrubs do not automatically mean medical profession.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:19 pm to TxTiger82
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Why do you feel its OK to not mind your own business?
Why do you feel me not minding my own business is any of your business?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:19 pm to G Vice
Who cares what other people wear to the restaurant? Are they paying for your meal? are you paying for theirs? I would have a problem if people came in with No clothes on but as long as they are respectful to other parties there than all is good. What would you rather a bunch of rude/ loud nicely dressed people? or Quiet/ repectful people in work clothes?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:19 pm to Jobu93
What about at a regular hospital on a regular floor?
I have to provide my own black scrubs (all RNs wear black). Only burn and surgical staff have access to the scrub x machine. Rest of us come and leave work in our scrubs. Like every other hospital I've worked at. You saying they all violate OSHA? Or are they covered because they supply any PPE we may need(gowns, masks, shoe covers, etc)?
I have to provide my own black scrubs (all RNs wear black). Only burn and surgical staff have access to the scrub x machine. Rest of us come and leave work in our scrubs. Like every other hospital I've worked at. You saying they all violate OSHA? Or are they covered because they supply any PPE we may need(gowns, masks, shoe covers, etc)?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:21 pm to Hermit Crab
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If they couldn't wear their scrubs then they would have to tell everyone they are a doctor, ain't nobody got time for that.
When you live with a medical professional you learn the "tells" of the players.
Doc's do not usually wear scrubs in public, if they do their name and M.D. will be clearly displayed on the scrub shirt.
If a Doc does wear generic hospital scrubs out in public they will usually be wearing dress shoes, not athletic shoes, and will rarely have a ID badge.
No name on left breast of scrub, casual shoes and ID badge = Nurse, scrub tech, rad tech, nurse aid, other hospital worker.
Other than Docs most don't change clothes at work because there is no place to change or keep other clothing at the hospital. There are physicians locker rooms, and locker rooms for OR personnel, but everybody else comes to work and leaves in the same clothes.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:26 pm to lsunurse
I am not trying to alarm you. OSHA unfortunately has black or white regulations. NO GRAY AREA.
My primary contact is with those in the dental field, not hospital settings but the standards are the same.
In the case of a med pro coming into contact with an unknown fluid (sneeze, saliva, waste, blood) you are deemed contaminated and need to change ASAP and without seeing other patients in order to eliminate cross contamination.
As a nurse, I personally wouldn't wear that stuff home, especially if working in a hospital.
My primary contact is with those in the dental field, not hospital settings but the standards are the same.
In the case of a med pro coming into contact with an unknown fluid (sneeze, saliva, waste, blood) you are deemed contaminated and need to change ASAP and without seeing other patients in order to eliminate cross contamination.
As a nurse, I personally wouldn't wear that stuff home, especially if working in a hospital.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:27 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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Because in this particular case, it was a friend of mine
You jelly because he's a doctor and you aren't, soccer boy?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:29 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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Why do hospital workers feel it's OK to wear scrubs to a restaurant?
The broads do it to say to the world, "I got a good paying job and I like to frick." I know this cause I used to work in a hospital ER.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:29 pm to SabiDojo
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Just letting you know I read your post as if R. Lee Ermey had said it. Good job.
I would listen to that man even if he said the fairy fricking godmother was real.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:32 pm to Booyow
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You jelly because he's a doctor and you aren't, soccer boy?
Nah. He's not a doctor.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:34 pm to TigerPanzer
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The broads do it to say to the world, "I got a good paying job and I like to frick." I know this cause I used to work in a hospital ER.
NPs don't make shite.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:36 pm to Jobu93
I do this regularly. It's fairly common for me to meet some friends for happy hour on the way home if I'm not going to the gym. There's nothing wrong with it. I do come in contact with patients, not on a daily basis though. When I go into surgery, I always change into clean scrubs before entering.
Now if I'm going out to dinner or something, I will go home and change. That's just my preference though, I don't care to go to dinner with someone in my work uniform. Would be the same even if it weren't scrubs.
For those thinking "look at me, I work in a hospital" you couldn't be more wrong. The only people doing that are the medical records degenerates, which have mostly been replaced by computers now. The doctors I know couldn't give 2 shits what you think, and yes many are that busy.
Now if I'm going out to dinner or something, I will go home and change. That's just my preference though, I don't care to go to dinner with someone in my work uniform. Would be the same even if it weren't scrubs.
For those thinking "look at me, I work in a hospital" you couldn't be more wrong. The only people doing that are the medical records degenerates, which have mostly been replaced by computers now. The doctors I know couldn't give 2 shits what you think, and yes many are that busy.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:37 pm to lsunurse
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Question 6: Is it permissible for employees to launder personal protective equipment like scrubs or other clothing worn next to the skin at home?
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Reply 6: In your inquiry, you correctly note that it is unacceptable for contaminated PPE to be laundered at home by employees. However employees' uniforms or scrubs which are usually worn in a manner similar to street clothes are generally not intended to be PPE and are, therefore, not expected to be contaminated with blood or OPIM. These would not need to be handled in the same manner as contaminated laundry or contaminated PPE unless the uniforms or scrubs have not been properly protected and become contaminated.
Nurse, the above may be up your alley. I don't know what you run into as a floor nurse, but those scrubs you are wearing shouldn't be considered your PPE.
See this site for q&A on this topic:
OSHA. BBP
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:40 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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NPs don't make shite.
Nurse Practitioner? That's a 6 figure salary.
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