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re: The Town That Privatized Everything
Posted on 6/26/14 at 11:17 am to Jimbeaux28
Posted on 6/26/14 at 11:17 am to Jimbeaux28
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Isn't the Sandy Springs model being used as an example as to how the St. George organizers want to run the new city of St. George?
Precisely. Organizers of St.George have been in close contact with the organizers of Sandy Springs, and this is the model we want to follow.
This post was edited on 6/26/14 at 11:19 am
Posted on 6/26/14 at 11:56 am to TigersSEC2010
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TigersSEC2010
That's awesome.
is that Herman Cain in your sig pic?
I met him at a rally not a block from Sandy Springs..
Posted on 6/26/14 at 12:26 pm to gatorhata9
What's their tax rate on sales and property?
Posted on 6/26/14 at 12:43 pm to GeeOH
Google-fu says 7% sales tax and a property tax of 4.7 mills
This post was edited on 6/26/14 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 6/26/14 at 12:52 pm to Jagd Tiger
Great break down of the dynamics at work in Sandy Springs. Many citizens were tired of the inefficiency of Fulton County and like you stated, sought to protect the community from the effects of the very corrupt and mis-managed model they were formerly under.
Didn't follow the Johns a Creek or Milton situations as much but, like you said, the dynamics at play in JC were very different. That was farm and pasture community just 20 years ago.
Didn't follow the Johns a Creek or Milton situations as much but, like you said, the dynamics at play in JC were very different. That was farm and pasture community just 20 years ago.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 1:07 pm to gatorhata9
Is this the same town in Georgia that requires all homeowners to have a gun?
Posted on 6/26/14 at 1:31 pm to dante
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Is this the same town in Georgia that requires all homeowners to have a gun?
Negative. That would be Kennessaw.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 1:39 pm to gatorhata9
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Negative. That would be Kennessaw.
a law that is in no way at all enforced, yet Kennesaw remains one of the safest townships in any metro area when it comes to home break ins and intruder attacks.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:25 pm to kingbob
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Higher median income generally yields higher sales, property, and income tax receipts; the former two being vital to the financing of city services. Essentially, the higher the median income of the population, the more tax money (on average) that municipality will receive per capita. Since the cost of municipal services is directly related to factors such as population size and density, it is not an unreasonable assertion that higher median income would yield higher tax receipts given the same population size and density.
Once a city reaches a certain size (not sure exactly where the line is), the cost of providing additional services becomes basically directly proportional to the population. More people means more necessary services, which means the total cost of those services costs more in total, but less per capita. Smaller population means less expense for services, but more per capita.
Basically, a city with a higher median income should draw more tax money than an identically sized city with lower median income and identical taxation structure. This means that they can do more with the same tax rate or the same with a lower tax rate than "poorer" cities. A distinct advantage.
How would having a mall, casino, and large strip of car dealerships/businesses effect the tax revenue?
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:43 pm to gatorhata9
I've been in proceedings with Sandy Springs and the prosecutor stepped aside and appointed a special prosecutor due to corruption allegations I made. They were 100% legitimate. I get that it's much more efficient than the other Atlanta area bodies but it was a far cry from clean.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:52 pm to AaronDeTiger
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How would having a mall, casino, and large strip of car dealerships/businesses effect the tax revenue?
Seems helpful. I'm not anti St. George, per se, but I'm very much so anti many of its proponents. I think a school district that isn't crap would be phenomenal. I think a competent government in South BR utilizing this model COULD be successful with the right management. However, I personally believe, based on the track record of this movement's organizers, that this will instead be a massive financial boondoggle that will not help the schools at all and will enrich a few organizers and screw everyone else over.
The Louisiana way.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:22 pm to kingbob
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However, I personally believe, based on the track record of this movement's organizers, that this will instead be a massive financial boondoggle that will not help the schools at all and will enrich a few organizers and screw everyone else over.
Which organizers?
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:24 pm to gatorhata9
Props to you guys - there is some implications for serious fraud with that though. Houston could use a dose of privatization b/c our infrastructure sucks monkey a$$
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:27 pm to LigerFan
Bodi White and Chandler Loupe for starters
However, John Degado, Smokey Bougeous, and much of the sideshow that is the metro council aren't much better
However, John Degado, Smokey Bougeous, and much of the sideshow that is the metro council aren't much better
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:11 pm to kingbob
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Higher median income generally yields higher sales, property, and income tax receipts; the former two being vital to the financing of city services. Essentially, the higher the median income of the population, the more tax money (on average) that municipality will receive per capita. Since the cost of municipal services is directly related to factors such as population size and density, it is not an unreasonable assertion that higher median income would yield higher tax receipts given the same population size and density.
Once a city reaches a certain size (not sure exactly where the line is), the cost of providing additional services becomes basically directly proportional to the population. More people means more necessary services, which means the total cost of those services costs more in total, but less per capita. Smaller population means less expense for services, but more per capita.
Basically, a city with a higher median income should draw more tax money than an identically sized city with lower median income and identical taxation structure. This means that they can do more with the same tax rate or the same with a lower tax rate than "poorer" cities. A distinct advantage.
Your analysis is accurate.
The problem is, most cities dont look to efficiency for a way to become more solvent. They look to grab more land (aka, annex) simply for the tax base without acknowledging the increased maintenance costs. It provides a quick jolt of funds but over the long term is a terrible strategy. They are doing the opposite of your analysis. Essentially increasing their footprint and reducing their density.
One might argue the Sandy Springs demographics highlights competition. I suspect many people choose that location over others because of the conditions. Time will tell if they are better, but that is why competition and experimentation is so necessary...over time, that effort will bring out a better model.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:14 pm to kingbob
That's what elections are for. If you trust a populous such as Sandy Springs enough to elect competent leaders, there us no reason the people of St.George couldn't.
Bodi White is not a leader of the St.George movement. He, like Lionel Rainey, merely publicly support it.
The petitioners are Norman Browning, Joshua Hoffpauir, and Dustin Yates. None of which have ever had a political career, nor do they want it.
Bodi White is not a leader of the St.George movement. He, like Lionel Rainey, merely publicly support it.
The petitioners are Norman Browning, Joshua Hoffpauir, and Dustin Yates. None of which have ever had a political career, nor do they want it.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:56 pm to Sprocket46
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The petitioners are Norman Browning, Joshua Hoffpauir, and Dustin Yates. None of which have ever had a political career, nor do they want it.
cmon, you don't really believe that. If St. George happens, Norman will run for mayor, Hoffpauir will get the money for designing the schools, and Yates becomes the police chief of a bigger fire district.
All three of those guys will benefit greatly. Bodi and Rainey will get their cut as well
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:59 pm to gatorhata9
Should be replicated across all cities/states and at the Federal level. Might actually make our government care about efficiency.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 9:08 pm to gatorhata9
The anarcho-capitalists may be on to something...
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