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re: Army Times: Brig. Gen. Sinclair will retire as a lieutenant colonel
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:24 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:24 pm to Wolfhound45
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Regardless as to whether the relationship was consensual, he still demonstrated a lack of integrity as an officer and used his position to take advantage of a subordinate.
because that shite is just absolutely not acceptable in the USA.
anyone who uses their position of authority to get some p**** from a subordinate will suffer the wrath of the American electorate, no matter how high up the chain they are.
someone like that will never be revered by the public.
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Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:34 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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What a douche...
When Peter T Kempf was forced to resign, everyone in 3rd AF danced a jig.
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-- The Air Force let Lt. Gen. Peter Kempf, commander of the 12th Air Force in Austin, retire in November 1990 after investigators found he had engaged in "inappropriate conduct" with female subordinates.
Peter T had always some subordinate as a mistress every where he was stationed, and errbody knew it. His real crime against humanity was calling a female Captain a "c*nt" during a staff meeting.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:51 pm to son of arlo
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Peter T had always some subordinate as a mistress every where he was stationed, and errbody knew it. His real crime against humanity was calling a female Captain a "c*nt" during a staff meeting.
Well....was she being one?
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:52 pm to MrCarton
I don't see what the problem is there. I've been called worse by better men more often.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:56 pm to Navytiger74
quote:Yeah. The rape thing went to shite but they kept after him because it was rape is the issue du jour in the military. Hell, the rape case was shite almost from the outset but they held on to it for a looooong time until finally the prosecutor bit the bullet and quit. Then it came out that there was pressure above the prosecutor to keep up the rape case even after the female was busted in multiple lies.
Ouch. I followed that case for a while. Kind of seemed like he was being railroaded. Didn't the whole rape thing fall apart at the end when it turned out they were just having an affair.
So. Basically, for all the press it received, this guy got demoted to LTC because of an affair.
Now, don't get me wrong. My sympathy meter aint high for this guy given that if he were a SSG, he may well not have been allowed to retire at all.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:57 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I don't see what the problem is there. I've been called worse by better men more often.
Yeah, In male culture that is lightweight stuff. Course we also spit Cope into plastic cups and rip huge farts while talking about sports during staff meetings. Gentlemen put a napkin in the cup first of course.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 2:31 pm to Wolfhound45
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Army Secretary John McHugh has stripped Brig. Gen. Jeffrey Sinclair of two grades, forcing him to retire from service as a lieutenant colonel.
This was a plea deal I thought? dismiss the rape he pleads to lesser charge and an agreement on sentencing?
Posted on 6/20/14 at 2:38 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:Yes. But, this is separate from that.
This was a plea deal I thought? dismiss the rape he pleads to lesser charge and an agreement on sentencing?
For officers discharged under negative circumstances, there is always a follow on board to determine rank retired at(among other things).
The legal supports for it that basically, they can say you only get to retire at the "last grade you performed honorably at".
Of course, interestingly, no such provision exists for enlisted folks. And, the theory that a guy who slept with every piece he could get his hands on for his entire O6 and 07 assignments just invented that plan upon promotion to 06 is comical.
But, officers have pretty solidly rigged the system in their favor. It is what it is.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 2:47 pm to ShortyRob
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officers discharged under negative circumstances, there is always a follow on board to determine rank retired at(among other things).
Should have read the article! But normally they wont reduce in a plea situation, in fact I cant recall ever seeing that.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 2:51 pm to ShortyRob
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But, officers have pretty solidly rigged the system in their favor.
Yeah we do.
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It is what it is.
You mad, bro?
Posted on 6/20/14 at 2:55 pm to Ace Midnight
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You mad, bro?
Kinda
Posted on 6/20/14 at 3:00 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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GeauxxxTigers23
Hey you better start training for that 1.5 mile run and 3 pullups!
Posted on 6/20/14 at 3:29 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Kinda
Y'all get over it, senior first technical master sergeant (or whatever crazy, compound rank you have in the USAF).
Posted on 6/20/14 at 6:47 pm to Wolfhound45
Always frick up - never frick down. Why screw around with a service chick anyways? No girl is worth destroying your career.
On a side note, it bothers me that junior people in inappropriate relationships are let off the hook completely in most cases.
(Active duty CW4)
On a side note, it bothers me that junior people in inappropriate relationships are let off the hook completely in most cases.
(Active duty CW4)
Posted on 6/20/14 at 9:48 pm to mworld938
Two ways to effectively manage women
Do more listening than talking.
Keep your fly up.
Do more listening than talking.
Keep your fly up.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 10:22 pm to ChineseBandit58
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Regardless as to whether the relationship was consensual, he still demonstrated a lack of integrity as an officer and used his position to take advantage of a subordinate.
because that shite is just absolutely not acceptable in the USA.
Perfectly acceptable to feminists, if the perpetrator is named Clinton or Kennedy.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 9:50 am to MrCarton
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Well....was she being one?
It's possible she was being one, but I could easily believe she was just sitting there with her mouth shut. That's the way Peter T rolled.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 10:08 am to Wolfhound45
Spinoff question that we discuss amongst ourselves in the military community (particularly the spouses);
Should Mrs Sinclair receive half of his benefits at the brigadier general (retired) rate? She is being punished because of her husband's adultery.
Should Mrs Sinclair receive half of his benefits at the brigadier general (retired) rate? She is being punished because of her husband's adultery.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 10:42 am to Wolfhound45
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Should Mrs Sinclair receive half of his benefits at the brigadier general (retired) rate? She is being punished because of her husband's adultery.
Nope. Live as one. Die as one.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 12:16 pm to Navytiger74
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Nope. Live as one. Die as one.
Kind of harsh. She faithfully served as a military spouse. Her husband did not faithfully serve as an Army officer as a colonel and a brigadier general.
Just curious, are you married?
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