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Justify the non-traditional roster

Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:36 pm
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:36 pm
So, clearly we are seeing Demps build what we'd call an unconventional roster for the time being. The idea being that the NBA is shifting in that direction. However, looking at the teams left in the playoffs, the traditional roster is not as outdated as we've been led to believe. Outside of the Heat, all of the remaining teams have fairly traditional rosters. Looking back at the championship teams over the last decade or so, the same is basically true.

Now, we know that the superstar Heat are an anomaly. Most franchises will not be able to sustain a build like that. Is the small-ball lineup actually trending toward becoming the norm or is it just an extension of the exciting Suns teams that can't win when it matters?
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:50 pm to
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Is the small-ball lineup actually trending toward becoming the norm


Yes and no. You want size if you can get it. But you need flexibility. All of the remaining teams, even Indiana, have gone small at times, often with success.

The bigger issue is limiting the number of guys you roll out whose clear weaknesses can't be hidden or mitigated. In the playoffs, it is increasingly harder to win playing guys like that big minutes.
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 4:14 pm to
Balance is key

If we had a legit 5 instead of EG we'd be pretty traditional(in a sense)

I also think demps has some master plan in mind.

He's seeing who fits and the "loser" goes

Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 5:15 pm to
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we are seeing Demps build what we'd call an unconventional roster for the time being


Unbalanced is a more accurate term because it suggests there will be a future attempt to rebalance the roster. It's been obvious from the moment they signed Tyreke that Gordon was gone ASAP. Loomis may be new to the NBA, but he should know enough about numbers to see that 1) having 2 $10 million 6th men is a bad idea, and 2) tying up 60% of your salary cap in 3 "starters" that play 2 positions is a bad idea.

The roster he assembled in year 2 AD is not a finished product. He took a calculated risk, "I can get 2 young All Star caliber guards but the backcourt and salary cap will be crowded until I can move Gordon, or I can wait 2 years until I move Gordon and hope I can find as much talent then" As he's done with many of his moves, he chose to trade cap space and uncertain future assets, for certain present assets.

We're all pretty much agreed that if this roster is healthy it's a playoff bubble team, basically what Minnesota was this season, maybe a little better. A 42-45 win team meets expectations, and if that happens then the focus is not on what's wrong with the roster but what's right with it and his seat is a lot cooler and confidence in a long term view is justified.

If we don't turn Gordon's salary slot into a "starting" 3/5 by 2015 FA then obviously Demps is in over his head and should go. And if the team is bad again next year he may not get the chance, but until then I think there's enough evidence to suggest he's being patient and calculated and we shouldn't jump to the conclusion that he's being unconventional just because Gordon was a big mistake that is taking a while to correct.
Posted by sma19
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:13 pm to
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Is the small-ball lineup actually trending toward becoming the norm or is it just an extension of the exciting Suns teams that can't win when it matters?


I think that every team has to be capable of a small ball lineup in some facet in this day and ages NBA. Look at every team in the playoffs currently, all of them can go small. OKC puts durant or jones at the 4 with ibaka at the 5, Spurs throw duncan at the 5 every now and again, obvious situation with the heat, wizards won their last game with gooden playing a lot of the 4 minutes, pacers went small with copeland at the 4 to help with the atlanta series. Brooklyn goes small with peirce at the 4. Portland can stick aldridge at the 5 when needed with batum at the 4. the only real exception is the clippers who stick mainly with blake and deandre or big baby but even they could if they needed to with granger or barnes at the 4.

So i think that most teams, in order to advance far into the playoffs, need to have solid talent in the traditional sense of roster spots, but they also need to have decent enough talent to go small when a high offense approach is needed, or when they need to guard another small ball team thats killing them, ie pacers v hawks.

TLDR; yes and no, teams need to be able to do both
Posted by Noplacelikehome
Member since Oct 2010
2154 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:58 am to
Lets allow Holiday, Gordon, Evans, Anderson, and AD play in more than 10 games through a season together before the team gets blown up. The thought of having a starting line up that included Holiday, Gordon, and AD with Anderson and Evans coming off the bench is still relatively unknown and is pretty intriguing.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 6:49 am to
I hope you're not watching the WCF. Even stretches where it was 4 guards and a forward.

Ibaka injury changed things, but even then I bet Ibaka/Durant frontcourt would have been seen often
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 5/31/14 at 6:26 pm to
IMO its more of the evolution of the player and skill set rather than the league is shifting towards the small ball style.

Just like in the NFL, the NBA has become all about match ups and mis matches. There are great coaches in both leagues and all that, but strategy and style only goes so far. And what has become the best mis match in the NBA.... the stretch 4.

The evolution of the PF position has changed the way teams play. Youve got guys like KD, Kevin Love, Ryan Anderson, Bosh, Dirk, Diaw, etc that are 6'9+ and can drill 3s like a shooting guard. And those guys are tough match ups for teams to guard. You put a smaller, quicker guy on them they can take them on the block, shoot over them, etc. You put a traditional post player on them, and these guys can take them off the dribble. Its just really hard to guard against these guys.

And, it is a guard dominant league. And its not that hard to figure out why. How many guys are 6'0 or taller in the world? 20% of males between the age of 20-29 are 6'0 or taller. And only 2% of males are 6'5 are taller. But, only 0.36% of the worlds population are taller than 6'5. And each time you go up an inch, it gets less and less. According to a stat, there are only 70 people in the U.S that are 7'0 or taller... and in the target range for the NBA, only 53.

There just arent that many people in the world that are tall enough and skilled enough to play as a C in the NBA. On the other hand, there are a lot 6'3+ people out there.
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