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re: WAFB investigates students being given grades in an EBR School
Posted on 5/9/14 at 10:51 am to LSURussian
Posted on 5/9/14 at 10:51 am to LSURussian
quote:So you no longer think the school system is headed in the right direction. Glad to see your position has changed.
my position on the education system in EBR.....
Posted on 5/9/14 at 10:54 am to CITWTT
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It is schools that are at the heart of the STG movement and this is the damning evidence as to why they should be given control of "their" shools ASAP but the idiots in charge are fighting as hard as they can possibly to prevent it
If you really dig deep there are four sides here;
1) The powers that be who want control over the EBR school system so they can maintain the union jobs, the administrative jobs etc.
2) People who see the corruption, and who see how poor the overall system is, but their children escape the crap because they qualify to attend magnet schools are in gifted programs and theyir children have done very well in the current system. They say it's better together, but in reality; they aren't together they are in special schools or taking a special curriculum.
3) People that have opted out for private school. They either can afford it or they suck it up and do it because they think that's the best course for them.
4) Those that believe in neighborhood schools, quality programs at each school, and in schools where not just the smart kids get good teacher or good classmates, but where everyone does.
I'm sure some may say this is an over generalization, and I know it is; but what we are seeing for the most part are people reacting to events according to what general camp they are in.
Except in group one (that's where the corruption is), I really don't see anybody who is "wrong". I can understand where magnet school people are coming from. I can understand why people send their kids to private schools, and I can see why people want the chance to start a system where the schools can be good for just about everyone.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 10:55 am to sec13rowBBseat28
I have repeatedly written that the school ratings have shown some slight improvement since we got out from under the federal oversight of our schools. I've also posted that we've got a long way to go before we can be satisfied or claim to have a good system.
I've said if the SG ISD happens there is a good chance the feds will step back in and take over the schools again and that is the one thing I want to avoid happening.
But you just go ahead and believe whatever you want to believe. That seems to be a pattern with St George fanboys.
I've said if the SG ISD happens there is a good chance the feds will step back in and take over the schools again and that is the one thing I want to avoid happening.
But you just go ahead and believe whatever you want to believe. That seems to be a pattern with St George fanboys.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 11:00 am to doubleb
Yep, and a few weeks back some liberal A Hole was accusing home schoolers of being racist.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 11:50 am to doubleb
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If you really dig deep there are four sides here
Four sides and three causes...
1. Shitty people raising kids in a shitty way.
--Many of these are in shitty communities where the pressure to join in the fecal fiasco is a constant. You can have the best teachers in the world at a school but if the kids are getting bombarded with constant negative reinforcements from their community and (often) their family, those teachers face a Sisyphean task.
2. Shitty administrators.
--This one focuses on the shittiness of administrators that won't administer but rather play favorites and the politics of avoidance so they can keep getting by with doing as little as possible. This is what happens when you put weak-willed people in positions of authority.
3. Nationwide standardized testing being the be-all/end-all.
--As these tests become more and more important, schools feel more and more pressure to teach just to that test. Shitty administrators will come up with ways to cheat the test (thus defeating the purpose of the test in the first place).
Solutions:
1. The federal government needs to put less emphasis on national standardized testing. Not every school is standard, nor are all children. If the federal government is going to give money to schools, then give it on a per-student basis, the end. Accountability MUST come from only the state and local levels as this one-size-fits-all business from the federal government has done nothing but LOWER scores over the past 40 years.
2. Any school district with a school that receives a grade C or lower for 3 years in a row will be subject to the following:
---A complete, public review of all administrative staff (including school board members and the superintendent) with the full transcripts being made available for download on each school's website. During this period there shall be no closed meetings of any sort of the school board.
3. The return of corporal punishment and shaming.
---As the ability for teachers to discipline in the classroom has diminished, the unruliness in the classroom has increased. A teacher CANNOT teach in an environment where kids feel free to mock, or even strike, a teacher with impunity.
----For those parents against paddlings, they can either pay to send their kids to a private school or homeschool them.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 12:35 pm to Bard
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3. Nationwide standardized testing being the be-all/end-all.
--As these tests become more and more important, schools feel more and more pressure to teach just to that test. Shitty administrators will come up with ways to cheat the test (thus defeating the purpose of the test in the first place).
Discipline problems aside, standardized testing in schools is one of the biggest problems with our education system today.
In addition to what you mentioned, it is also creating a generation of young adults and college students who have no ability to think critically and take on tasks with minimal or no supervision. I see it every day, and it's terrible.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 12:45 pm to UGATiger26
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In addition to what you mentioned, it is also creating a generation of young adults and college students who have no ability to think critically and take on tasks with minimal or no supervision. I see it every day, and it's terrible.
I'm on the fence about standardized testing; on one hand it leaks to schools teaching towards a test and doing everything they can to help the kids pass the test; however, it hurts in other areas which require critical thinking and other skills.
But then how can you know if the kids are learning anything without testing? How can you compare schools without testing? How do taxpayers find out if there money is being spent wisely?
Posted on 5/9/14 at 12:46 pm to doubleb
So in the end, PC is what is going to kill public education?
Posted on 5/9/14 at 12:53 pm to TrueTiger
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So in the end, PC is what is going to kill public education?
I have long thought the Feds did in public education.
PC goes along with Federal control and the notion that one size fits all.
In the case of education smaller can be better, but big has its pluses too and if there was a way to get good, local oversight and yet have a big system I'd like to hear it.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 1:04 pm to Bard
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Any school district with a school that receives a grade C or lower
Just curious, but how do you propose schools should be "graded"? Because currently, most of a school's grade is based on student performance on standardized tests, which as you said, not every school is standard, nor are all the children. It has been widely argued that in general, schools with a higher poverty level have lower scores on standardized tests, which is why you might see lower school (and district) scores in BR or Baker as opposed to Zachary or Central. (Although this is not the case in schools with selective admissions or more parental involvement, such as Forest Heights Elementary, which has a high percentage of free/reduced lunch students but still scores an "A".)
Like doubleb, I'm on the fence on standardized testing for similar reasons as well as I'm not so sure testing portrays an accurate picture of a school.
This post was edited on 5/9/14 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 5/9/14 at 1:06 pm to Eurocat
quote:How would that work?
Articles like the original post just show that we need common core and testing. Then you won't have students just given a "C" for free and shuffled upward and then graduating without knowing how to read or add.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 1:12 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:His statement was likely just an attempt to inflame the conversation by injecting common core into the thread. There really is no correlation between the two topics.
How would that work?
Posted on 5/9/14 at 1:13 pm to upgrayedd
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I think he's more in the "it's not perfect but we're gonna try really hard to make it better in the future" camp.
Whether that movement will pan out remains to be seen, but I seriously doubt it ever comes to fruition. Keep the status quo, don't rock the boat, business as usual.
Can we just be honest? That position is dumb. There is a reason that the school system is the way it is. Demographics. But no one wants to say that and rock the boat. Plain and simple...until you actually come out and be honest, and force the scum within the school system to pass or fail, it will never be better. And as long as the same teachers keep teaching, and the same trash keeps attending, it will never get better.
It is a cultural problem.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 1:18 pm to doubleb
quote:
WAFB investigates students being given grades in an EBR School
Somebody should investigate the grades Obama was given when he was in school.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 1:22 pm to Dorothy
quote:
Just curious, but how do you propose schools should be "graded"? Because currently, most of a school's grade is based on student performance on standardized tests, which as you said, not every school is standard, nor are all the children. It has been widely argued that in general, schools with a higher poverty level have lower scores on standardized tests, which is why you might see lower school (and district) scores in BR or Baker as opposed to Zachary or Central. (Although this is not the case in schools with selective admissions or more parental involvement, such as Forest Heights Elementary, which has a high percentage of free/reduced lunch students but still scores an "A".)
I was mainly blowing off steam and hadn't really thought more deeply on it. If I had to be pinned down on it I would think that having some sort of statewide graduation\promotion rate would have to be a large part of it. How would graduations and promotions to higher grades be monitored would be the question. Statewide exams? Blind records reviews by other schools? Some of both? Neither? Something else? I'm open to ideas.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 1:39 pm to ASTL
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Can we just be honest? That position is dumb. There is a reason that the school system is the way it is. Demographics. But no one wants to say that and rock the boat. Plain and simple...until you actually come out and be honest, and force the scum within the school system to pass or fail, it will never be better. And as long as the same teachers keep teaching, and the same trash keeps attending, it will never get better. It is a cultural problem.
We need to be honest here, the problem is we aren't. People keep making excuses for bad behavior, substandard teachers, and an administration that is just really a guy old boy network.
First we need to start at the top. We need strong, courageous principals to run the schools. Pay these people good money. Pay them as if they are the CEO of the school and make them accountable for educating the kids, hiring and firing teachers, keeping the facilities in shape, and for keeping the schools clean and for discipline.
Let the principal hire quality people and let him fire the ones he/she needs to fire.
When students act up, you have to discipline them, if they continue to act up then you have to get them out of a mainstream school into some king of alternative school. You can not have children there disrupting class, bullying or harming teachers, and preventing others from learning.
Now some feeling may get hurt, some kids may be labeled; but passing them when they don't pass, looking the other way when they are rowdy, and keeping the status quo brings down the entire school.
The administration should monitor schools, but they don't need to be micromanaging the principals and their staffs. Policy is one thing, getting involved in individual issues is another.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 1:42 pm to LSURussian
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I have repeatedly written that the school ratings have shown some slight improvement since we got out from under the federal oversight of our schools.
Just out of curiosity, are you including the schools now in the RSD?
Posted on 5/9/14 at 1:43 pm to doubleb
Yep. Not going to happen though.
And some people like Eurocat want even more bloated administrations for schooling.
And some people like Eurocat want even more bloated administrations for schooling.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 3:41 pm to doubleb
How do you put more disipline in public schools without the parents filing some ridiculous law suit? Louisiana needs to put their foot down and give the teachers more power inside the classroom. If a student hits a teacher they should be expelled and send to a military school. If a student fails, they fail. Quit handing out grades to pushing them through. Also, we should reward the better teachers with raises (no maximum salary) and be able to fire the bad teachers. It is getting absurd how bad some of these public schools are getting.
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