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re: Experts Warn Civilian World Not Ready For Massive EMP Caused Blackout
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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and it's much, much shittier. their life expectancy is under fricking 50 years old.
Well that sucks now doesnt it? The problem is, thats not the fricking point being argued. Of these two people, an overweight trailer park trash mom that has everything spoonfed to her or the Ethiopian that doesnt even know what running water is, who would be better prepared of surving a global EMP event?
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:01 am to dewster
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The likelihood that EMP takes out the entire grid in this country is pretty slim. Locally and even regionally, it could be a disaster that will require a lot of aid and disaster response....but not unlike what we have had to deal with before(Sandy, Katrina, etc).
You have got to be kidding me? You think an EMP event that would this put this entire country into cardiac arrest is comparable to Katrina?
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 9:01 am
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:02 am to OMLandshark
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I'd say simply the number of people on the East coast who are tied up in hospitals on their death beds would easily number 1/2 million, and they'd certainly die (provided the hospital's generator is also destroyed). Not to mention plane and car crashes, and its in the millions.
And this is within about 3 hrs.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:03 am to dnm3305
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You think an EMP event that would this put this entire country into cardiac arrest is comparable to Katrina?
i think he's saying that's almost impossible and exceptionally unlikely
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:04 am to beebefootballfan
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I'm headed to the woods should it happen the deep woods where nobody will find me.
how you getting there?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:04 am to dnm3305
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The problem is, thats not the fricking point being argued.
the point being argued, indirectly, is that relying on technology is bad. that is asinine and downright insane
and all you have to do is look at countries that don't have technology to see how fricking shitty their life is
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Of these two people, an overweight trailer park trash mom that has everything spoonfed to her or the Ethiopian that doesnt even know what running water is, who would be better prepared of surving a global EMP event?
you're looking at humanity far too negatively and ignoring the more important aspect: resources
regardless of how reliant on technology we are, humans are amazing at adapting, developing, and advancing...as long as we have resources. the US has an abundance of resources. ethiopia...does not
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:04 am to dnm3305
No, he's saying that an EMP strike would be at most, a localized event.
Only ignorant hand-wringers that lack a basic understanding of science think technology exists that would allow a nationwide EMP strike.
(not directed at OP, I know he is just doing a "what if?")
Only ignorant hand-wringers that lack a basic understanding of science think technology exists that would allow a nationwide EMP strike.
(not directed at OP, I know he is just doing a "what if?")
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:06 am to dewster
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The likelihood that EMP takes out the entire grid in this country is pretty slim. Locally and even regionally, it could be a disaster that will require a lot of aid and disaster response....but not unlike what we have had to deal with before(Sandy, Katrina, etc).
I'd say I'm a lot less concerned over a man made 50 megaton warhead being detonated at a high altitude over this country as I am in the very large yellow nuclear fusion reactor in space.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:06 am to dnm3305
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You think an EMP event that would this put this entire country into cardiac arrest is comparable to Katrina?
that isn't at all what was said.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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he point being argued, indirectly, is that relying on technology is bad.
Speaking for myself, I don't think that at all. Not in the slightest.
I just happen to think that betting all in on red isn't very smart if it lands on black one day and there's no backup plan in place to safeguard us from the effects.
I mean, it's not as if we live in a safe tame little bubble universe here. It's very violent and unpredictable, the sun is for sure, and even in recent history we've seen it's effects.
Carrington Event
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:19 am to Mike da Tigah
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I just happen to think that betting all in on red isn't very smart if it lands on black one day and there's no backup plan in place to safeguard us from the effects.
but we only advance if do this. societies advance when we have reached efficiencies to where we can devote excess resources to development
this all started with agriculture (excess calories meant that not every male had to go hunting and not every female had to go gathering, thus we had excess resources to devote to everything else that led to development)
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:23 am to tigerfoot
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how you getting there
dont know about him, but i will walk out my back door
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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but we only advance if do this. societies advance when we have reached efficiencies to where we can devote excess resources to development
Like I said, technology is a net positive for society. I'm just saying that we are highly exposed in things that can bite us in the arse badly, and can be prevented while still enjoying the benefits that technology affords us in everything from our energy needs to those things in our society that are dependent upon energy in our life. Even things like our agriculture being less centralized and tied so heavily to a select few corporations and a little more localized helps everyone and not just in logistics, but also in reducing the effects of drought, famine, disease. or other occurrence that may come in the future.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:34 am to oleyeller
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:39 am to Broke
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:53 am to Mike da Tigah
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Even things like our agriculture being less centralized and tied so heavily to a select few corporations and a little more localized helps everyone and not just in logistics, but also in reducing the effects of drought, famine, disease. or other occurrence that may come in the future.
famine and disease don't occur due to technological advancements in agriculture, which is often led by the "big corporations"
hell that difference is one reason why we can advance so far and those countries you're praising that are so far backwards that they wouldn't feel the effects of an EMP, cannot
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:58 am to oleyeller
I'd be fine. Some goods and services coming from Seattle would be interrupted but we have our own grid with backup. Food is plentiful as well
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:58 am to Mike da Tigah
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It's a big country my friend, and it depends on an arse load of energy to just keep running, much less rebuild the entire electric grid from the ground up from sea to shining sea without that energy or manufacturing capability we depend upon, and in the meantime is probably much more concerning as people try to figure out a way to simply put food in their mouths and find drinkable water to keep alive, or get rid of their sewage so as to not live in a disease ridden pitre dish.
so you're saying that the government/military would decide to allocate our resources such that people would have more food in the short run, at the expense of crippling our ability to rebuild?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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but we only advance if do this. societies advance when we have reached efficiencies to where we can devote excess resources to development
No, but they can and do happen in spite of technology which doesn't isolate us from the effects of living on an ever changing planet.
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hell that difference is one reason why we can advance so far and those countries you're praising that are so far backwards that they wouldn't feel the effects of an EMP, cannot
We've been feeding ourselves for a really long time SFP, long before technology made it easier. It still doesn't make shipping shite we can grow here in from clear across the country more sensible than being more independent, and localized, not in transporting it or in being a little more independent from regional effects that can affect crops elsewhere.
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