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re: Experts Warn Civilian World Not Ready For Massive EMP Caused Blackout
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:04 am to gorillacoco
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:04 am to gorillacoco
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so you're saying that the government/military would decide to allocate our resources such that people would have more food in the short run, at the expense of crippling our ability to rebuild?
Wha?
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:05 am to gorillacoco
I read the one second after book, pretty scary stuff but logically it doesn't make sense. If you assume an EMP would KO everything like it did in the book, than everybody is toast. I don't believe the book took into account nuclear reactors having a meltdown. Add up all the rectors in the US and canada having meltdowns the world might be doomed but north american not happening for humans for a long time. The real question is can an EMP do all that damage. I guess the good news is if true, than no country like russia or china will want to see it happen anywhere since its world wide damage so they will try to pervent. The bad news is iran and north korea are cool with such things.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 10:09 am
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:07 am to Mike da Tigah
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It still doesn't make shipping shite we can grow here in from clear across the country more sensible than being more independent, and localized
if it's cheaper, it makes economic sense
that excess money is then used for...development
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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if it's cheaper, it makes economic sense
Is it cheaper to take a vacation to Oregon or Grand Isle if you live in Louisiana?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:09 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm no prepper but let's say I'm prepared. An EMP couldn't wipe out the entire US but they could target the major cities with major production and in a round about way try to cripple the rest of the US. They would probably hit DC, New York, Houston, LA and places like that. I think the logical threat is a host of dirty bombs of some sort strategically placed here in the US.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:11 am to Broke
new york, houston, LC, beaumont, PA, and hackbury
USA fricked
USA fricked
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:12 am to SlowFlowPro
You should read those books. Very interesting books and pretty exciting read also.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:13 am to Mike da Tigah
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Is it cheaper to take a vacation to Oregon or Grand Isle if you live in Louisiana?
i don't know, and that's irrelevant
you're assuming it costs more b/c it doesn't make sense to the way you see the world. that's fine, but you're arguing with reality
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:14 am to Broke
One Second After is a better Novel than than it is a warning of things that could actually happen.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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i don't know, and that's irrelevant
you don't know if it costs less in fuel to take a trip to Oregon or Grand Isle when you live in Louisiana? Irrelevant?
Quite relevant discussion when were talking purely economic reasoning.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:18 am to Mike da Tigah
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you don't know if it costs less in fuel to take a trip to Oregon or Grand Isle when you live in Louisiana?
Irrelevant?
that has nothing to do with the argument
perhaps you get free air fare
plus the perceived value of the vacation is different.
it just has no place in this conversation
we buy food from abroad that we can produce locally b/c it is cheaper
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Quite relevant discussion when were talking purely economic reasoning.
you just asked me if we would expect to pay more buying diamonds compared to glass
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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regardless of how reliant on technology we are, humans are amazing at adapting, developing, and advancing...as long as we have resources. the US has an abundance of resources. ethiopia...does not
Of course resources allow for a much better way of life in the present day. Those resources would be wiped out with a major EMP event. That's what this thread title is about and it's why I clicked on it.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:18 am to dnm3305
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Of course resources allow for a much better way of life in the present day. Those resources would be wiped out with a major EMP event.
fertile land, fresh water, waterways, etc would be wiped out with an EMP?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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that has nothing to do with the argument
Fuel SFP, FUEL....
It's a cost affixed to the product cost both to the farm, the distributor, and the retailer, and then the consumer, and marked up every time it changes hands.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 10:24 am
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:26 am to Mike da Tigah
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It's a cost affixed to the product cost both to the farm, the distributor, and the retailer, and then the consumer, and marked up every time it changes hands.
ok
and it's still cheaper to buy some food items that are produced abroad, when we could make them here
same with every industry. just look at all the manufacturing that has moved to the pacific coast, that is then shipped to the USA. we used to produce that here, but it's cheaper to have their labor/subsidies cut the cost down and then have it shipped here
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:28 am to Mike da Tigah
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wha
okay i'll spell it out for you.
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it depends on an arse load of energy to just keep running, much less rebuild the entire electric grid from the ground up from sea to shining sea without that energy or manufacturing capability we depend upon,
it's not going to depend on an "arse load of energy" if everything is shut down. the first priority would be to get the basic electrical infrastructure up and running, which would be done with diesel powered generators at first.
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Now all you have to figure out is how to pump it and get it there to fuel that facility, or refine it in the first place.
which would be done with trucks, that are also powered by diesel. i'm not saying that it would be just some slight inconvenience, i am saying that your pulled-out-of-your-arse estimate of
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a decade or so
is indefensible.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:29 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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One Second After is a better Novel than than it is a warning of things that could actually happen.
Agreed.
If you buy into the premise that an event like that could actually happen, it's a pretty good read.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
The people effected by an EMP from a nuclear weapon would have much more to worry about than the effects of an EMP. The fallout from the nuclear explosion and any damage it caused would be the first. It wouldn't take out a wide range like an entire country or even a state from one weapon. You are looking at maybe a city.
If you want to be worried about something taking out the large majority of the grid for a long time, be worried about major solar flares damaging a large population of high/medium voltage transformers in switchyards. Right now, lead time to purchase and deliver one of them is about 8-12 months. We would seriously need to ramp up production if a large population of them were wiped out.
If you want to be worried about something taking out the large majority of the grid for a long time, be worried about major solar flares damaging a large population of high/medium voltage transformers in switchyards. Right now, lead time to purchase and deliver one of them is about 8-12 months. We would seriously need to ramp up production if a large population of them were wiped out.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 10:32 am
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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fertile land, fresh water, waterways, etc would be wiped out with an EMP?
Where are you getting this fresh water? How is it being filtered/processed to be drinkable. What good is fertile land without fuel to power farm equipment? How would it be harvested? How would all of the agriculture be processed? How would it be transported and dispersed throughout the United States? EVERYTHING in this country is powered, one way or another, by electricity. I also think you have my stance confused on how I feel about 3rd world countries. I would never want to live in any of those shitholes. They are less dependant out of necessity, not by choice. I am grateful for the comforts of life we are able to enjoy that the majority of the worlds population can only dream about. We live in a country that was founded on hard work, ambition, technological advancements, and entrepreneuriship. We have earned our comforts. In the case of a higly unlikely global disaster that would render the U.S. powerless and without electricity for even 1 wk, it would be catastrophic and possibly unsustainable for life as we know it. It would hit us harder and more people would die/be affected here in the U.S. than in Zimbabwe is all im saying.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:36 am to Dam Guide
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be worried about major solar flares damaging a large population of high/medium voltage transformers in switchyards
This. Everyone should read the book "A Distant Eden".
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