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Questions about Reagan
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:57 pm
hahah oops, hit enter too soon...
"Morning in America"
Anyway, I hear all this stuff about Reagan and people lionizing him. Was he really all that great?
Or is just what the GOP has pumped out in the last forever just not been that great?
listening to the Levin podcast he said for anyone under 50 years old they haven't had one single chance to vote for a true conservative. That's sad.
When it comes to Reagan I always either think of Reaganomics or the Iran-Contra affair which was a fricking shite show. If that were to happen today the shite would be HUGE. Not sure if the media was quite the same back then. Still think there is a lot the public doesn't know regarding it either
Just read this stat
"Morning in America"
Anyway, I hear all this stuff about Reagan and people lionizing him. Was he really all that great?
Or is just what the GOP has pumped out in the last forever just not been that great?
listening to the Levin podcast he said for anyone under 50 years old they haven't had one single chance to vote for a true conservative. That's sad.
When it comes to Reagan I always either think of Reaganomics or the Iran-Contra affair which was a fricking shite show. If that were to happen today the shite would be HUGE. Not sure if the media was quite the same back then. Still think there is a lot the public doesn't know regarding it either
Just read this stat
quote:They never leave office with a higher approval rating than they entered, and over 50%
He entered office with a 51% approval rating and left office eights years later with 63% approval.
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 12:07 am
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 12:18 am to SuperSaint
Reagan may have been the last true statesman that this country had. He loved this country and used every opportunity to shower it and its people with praise.
He restored hope in America that had disappeared in the 7 short years after Nixon resigned and Carter took the country to depths it never thought it would see.
I have never understood why his economic plan is so ridiculed. When he took office, the country was mired in stagnant everything. We had double digit interest rates (even for home loans), double digit inflation, fairly high unemployment and our military might was deteriorating rapidly. By the time he left office, interest rates were back to respectable levels, jobs were plentiful, the economy was growing by leaps and bounds, and the old USSR was near collapse.
Two things he did I disagreed with: 1. Iran-Contra; and 2. amnesty deal.
I think Iran-Contra was your typical boneheaded governmental good intentions gone awry type deal. Reagan despised communism more than anything. He pretty much saw any plan to quash it as a good plan. Not so much.
As for the amnesty deal, I remember at the time thinking what a stupid idea it was to give amnesty to 2-3 million illegals. Well, now we have 20+ million here.
No President is perfect, but, on the whole, I'll take Reagan over any of the Presidents I've seen in my 52 years. He was a true leader, he spoke his mind, and he had a sincerity that drew people to him.
He restored hope in America that had disappeared in the 7 short years after Nixon resigned and Carter took the country to depths it never thought it would see.
I have never understood why his economic plan is so ridiculed. When he took office, the country was mired in stagnant everything. We had double digit interest rates (even for home loans), double digit inflation, fairly high unemployment and our military might was deteriorating rapidly. By the time he left office, interest rates were back to respectable levels, jobs were plentiful, the economy was growing by leaps and bounds, and the old USSR was near collapse.
Two things he did I disagreed with: 1. Iran-Contra; and 2. amnesty deal.
I think Iran-Contra was your typical boneheaded governmental good intentions gone awry type deal. Reagan despised communism more than anything. He pretty much saw any plan to quash it as a good plan. Not so much.
As for the amnesty deal, I remember at the time thinking what a stupid idea it was to give amnesty to 2-3 million illegals. Well, now we have 20+ million here.
No President is perfect, but, on the whole, I'll take Reagan over any of the Presidents I've seen in my 52 years. He was a true leader, he spoke his mind, and he had a sincerity that drew people to him.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 12:43 am to SuperSaint
He'd probably be considered a RINO by today's GOP hardliners.
Reagan gets credit for ending the Cold War, but so should every other president since WWII. He happened to be the one on whose watch it occurred. Maybe he sped up the process by a couple of years, maybe not. It's arguable. I believe he took some needless risks-the Russians were seriously considering preemptive war at one point based on their fear of what Reagan might do.
He fricked up supremely in Beirut, and I'd argue that Grenada was a wag the dog attempt to deflect attention from it. Then there was Iran-Contra. If Clinton lying about a blowjob was an impeachable offense, then what Reagan did certainly was, but Reagan was popular, and the Democrats had no balls.
Much of the blowback we've had to deal with in the Middle East is traceable to decisions on his watch. We can also thank retreads from the Reagan era for our disastrous Iraq policy under GWB.
On the domestic side, he was a wild deficit spender to expand the military.
He wasn't a terrible president, but he doesn't belong on Mount Rushmore, and doesn't deserve the deification he gets from the some quarters.
On the plus side, he wasn't personally corrupt, and I believe he loved this country, his heart was in the right place and he meant well, although several of his policies were terribly misguided.
Reagan gets credit for ending the Cold War, but so should every other president since WWII. He happened to be the one on whose watch it occurred. Maybe he sped up the process by a couple of years, maybe not. It's arguable. I believe he took some needless risks-the Russians were seriously considering preemptive war at one point based on their fear of what Reagan might do.
He fricked up supremely in Beirut, and I'd argue that Grenada was a wag the dog attempt to deflect attention from it. Then there was Iran-Contra. If Clinton lying about a blowjob was an impeachable offense, then what Reagan did certainly was, but Reagan was popular, and the Democrats had no balls.
Much of the blowback we've had to deal with in the Middle East is traceable to decisions on his watch. We can also thank retreads from the Reagan era for our disastrous Iraq policy under GWB.
On the domestic side, he was a wild deficit spender to expand the military.
He wasn't a terrible president, but he doesn't belong on Mount Rushmore, and doesn't deserve the deification he gets from the some quarters.
On the plus side, he wasn't personally corrupt, and I believe he loved this country, his heart was in the right place and he meant well, although several of his policies were terribly misguided.
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 1:10 am
Posted on 4/10/14 at 7:11 am to SuperSaint
quote:
Was he really all that great?
Yes.
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Or is just what the GOP has pumped out in the last forever just not been that great?
This is also true, so he looks even better, by comparison.
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listening to the Levin podcast he said for anyone under 50 years old they haven't had one single chance to vote for a true conservative.
That's true - I didn't turn 18 until after the 1984 election.
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When it comes to Reagan I always either think of Reaganomics or the Iran-Contra affair which was a fricking shite show.
"Reaganomics" absolutely worked - there was no "income" problem during the 80s - it was a spending problem. He never had control of the House, an only 2 out of 8 years in the Senate - to get his priorities passed, he had to negotiate a lot of spending with the Dems. His priorities were the defeat of the Soviet Union and reversal of a lot of the creeping socialism of the 70 - he accomplished those, in spades.
Iran-Contra is unfortunate, but I don't view it as a stain on Reagan at all.
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Not sure if the media was quite the same back then.
Only CNN was in the 24-hour news cycle - they pounded on Reagan every single day - and he gave approximately zero fricks about it. Remember - he came out of Hollywood - their press has always been brutal.
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He entered office with a 51% approval rating and left office eights years later with 63% approval.
I think you got to the truth by the end of the post - Reagan was an American first - he did what he thought was right, regardless of party priorities or public relations fallout. In the end, ordinary people respond to that favorably.
Today, everything is parsed and filtered through focus groups, strategic "messaging", nuanced, "triangulated" to create these temporary bubbles of 50 percent plus 1 - or they just outrigh lie about something's popularity (gun control, ACA, etc.).
Dumb as we are, as a society, we see through things like that, now.
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 7:15 am
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:51 am to SuperSaint
quote:Im not sure us describe the fastest post-war recovery and growth rates a "shite show"
When it comes to Reagan I always either think of Reaganomics or the Iran-Contra affair which was a fricking shite show.
Iran-contra was, though. And Reagan said as much in a prime-time-nation-wide televised address. He owned up to it. If Obama had a little Pinky toe's worth of Reagan's honor, he'd be doing the same for the NSA, the IRS and that jackass Eric Holder.
At least Reagan's indiscretion wasn't on Americans' citizenry.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:04 am to SuperSaint
Re: Economics. RR was a devotee of the Chicago School of Supply Side Econ. Think Milton Friedman. It was named after a group of Econ Profs at U. of Chicago.
The left referred to it derisively as 'trickle down' to play into class envy. Supply Side worked. The 80s were great... a time of unprecedented peace time growth. The economy was so good that the MSM developed a technique to undercut the good news.
It went like this...
"Good evening, I'm Dan Rather and welcome to CBS Evening News. Some good economic news today as the unemployment rate dropped to 4% but that doesn't help people like Maude McGinnis who cannot find work and has trouble feeding her 6 children. For her story we go to Tina Titless in Memphis..."
Then Tina would present her 10 minute story about poor Maude who would say things like "Ah don't know where they get this good economy stuff. Ah don't see it. There ain't no jobs out there. Mah kids don't know iffin' they gonna eat from one day to the next. We need help out here and the President don't seem to care no way no how."
This kind of reporting went on every day for 8 years.
The left referred to it derisively as 'trickle down' to play into class envy. Supply Side worked. The 80s were great... a time of unprecedented peace time growth. The economy was so good that the MSM developed a technique to undercut the good news.
It went like this...
"Good evening, I'm Dan Rather and welcome to CBS Evening News. Some good economic news today as the unemployment rate dropped to 4% but that doesn't help people like Maude McGinnis who cannot find work and has trouble feeding her 6 children. For her story we go to Tina Titless in Memphis..."
Then Tina would present her 10 minute story about poor Maude who would say things like "Ah don't know where they get this good economy stuff. Ah don't see it. There ain't no jobs out there. Mah kids don't know iffin' they gonna eat from one day to the next. We need help out here and the President don't seem to care no way no how."
This kind of reporting went on every day for 8 years.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:17 am to SuperSaint
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They never leave office with a higher approval rating than they entered, and over 50%
What are the stats for Clinton?
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:20 am to SuperSaint
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When it comes to Reagan I always either think of Reaganomics or the Iran-Contra affair which was a fricking shite show. If that were to happen today the shite would be HUGE. Not sure if the media was quite the same back then. Still think there is a lot the public doesn't know regarding it either
If it happened today, no one in the mainstream media would care. No way they go after Obama.
They didn't on Benghazi, the IRS, or Fast and Furious.
Any of those three events would have taken a Republican POTUS down. We all know that.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 2:54 pm to SuperSaint
Reagan was an amazing man. He was not without fault but, he was by far the best leader we've seen in a very long time.
Last summer, I visited the Reagan Presidential Library/Museum. It was an incredible experience.
We so need to find another leader like him who can pull this nation out of the perpetual malaise that we have been in for the past 20+ years.
Obama on the other hand is by far the worst leader that we have had in my lifetime. He has exceeded Carter in every way possible.
Last summer, I visited the Reagan Presidential Library/Museum. It was an incredible experience.
We so need to find another leader like him who can pull this nation out of the perpetual malaise that we have been in for the past 20+ years.
Obama on the other hand is by far the worst leader that we have had in my lifetime. He has exceeded Carter in every way possible.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:52 pm to SuperSaint
What I remember about Reagan was he saved the country from the Shitshow that was the Carter administration.It was really a bad time in America and RR brought back a lot of pride in the country.
With the Obama administration, I see even more need for somebody to step in and save the country from these lying assed people that, with the help of the media, are ruining this nation.
With the Obama administration, I see even more need for somebody to step in and save the country from these lying assed people that, with the help of the media, are ruining this nation.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 4:03 pm to SuperSaint
quote] If that were to happen today the shite would be HUGE[/quote]
That is some truly funny shite you posted as it is happening by tons of buckets and roundly ignored by so man people you are in that crowd and don't admit it at all. How many scandals and deaths have come in the last five years with three more to endure? How many laws have been re-written/ignored byway off Presidential fiat?
Take a good look at the organization known as the DOJ for shits and giggles.
That is some truly funny shite you posted as it is happening by tons of buckets and roundly ignored by so man people you are in that crowd and don't admit it at all. How many scandals and deaths have come in the last five years with three more to endure? How many laws have been re-written/ignored byway off Presidential fiat?
Take a good look at the organization known as the DOJ for shits and giggles.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 8:29 pm to SuperSaint
He loved his country, hated communism, and was a leader. I was born in '79 and enjoy now going back and watching YouTube videos on his debates, SOTUs, etc.
He just oozed charisma, and was a great leader for our country. He was a patriot.
He just oozed charisma, and was a great leader for our country. He was a patriot.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:10 pm to SuperSaint
Reagan was legit until that "warning" he got.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:50 am to SuperSaint
He took a bullet and laughed about it. People loved him for that.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:55 pm to SuperSaint
The best thing about Reagan was that he was a MASTER at propaganda.
But then, he was a professional actor (hell, he was president of the Screen Actors Guild), so he was trained in memorizing scripts and eliciting emotions from an audience. He also was well aware of the power of imagery.
But then, he was a professional actor (hell, he was president of the Screen Actors Guild), so he was trained in memorizing scripts and eliciting emotions from an audience. He also was well aware of the power of imagery.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:07 pm to SuperSaint
Reagan was our last free elected President.
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