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re: The Official Comic Book Hero Tournament Round IV (Voting Open)
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:24 pm to BlacknGold
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:24 pm to BlacknGold
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ISWYDT. but c'mon, you know thats not the case in a comic book world. lightning and magical, transforming lightning is clearly not the same thing.
thats like equating white life light (green lantern) is the same as white light.
I mean I agree, but if it's magical "energy" then it should be called "energy" which is far less specific than "lightning."
Lightning is specifically an electrical discharge. I can't find the difference between "magical lightning" and "lightning" so I'm going to with science on this one and say that "magical lightening," means the electrical discharge starts with a magic origin.
Regardless, she can still absorb it in either definition.
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Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:30 pm to Freauxzen
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Really, divine luck is going to come into play? From what?
That's what DC wiki (actually innate luck), Comic Vine just said clairvoyance. Innate luck seems a bit much to me. So I think we should stick with clairvoyance.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:32 pm to Bamatab
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All I know is what Comic Vine said about it, and that is that there are consequences. What those are I have no idea.
It energizes her faster, that's all. She can overload quicker, but if she's using all of that energy, she may not have to worry about that.
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But regardless, he doesn't need to use the lightning.
But he doesn't know that.
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He is twice as strong, just as fast,
She absorbs energy to grow stronger and faster. And she's reaching Binary form in this fight, that's for sure.
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a more tactical mind (especially when you factor in the clairvoyance). So I just don't see her winning this one.
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So when you factor that with his advanced knowledge of war strategy and tactics, I just don't see her out maneuvering him.
Also, he's got the information, but he's still a kid right? Let's not Ender's Game this thing. Being a kid is a very real disadvantage even with advanced knowledge. If you don't think so then I don't know what the point is anymore because that just isn't logical.
In a "pummel, fist-to-fist fight, his tactical knowledge matters less, hence his ability to stand against Superman. But I assume this fight, Marvel isn't going to stay toe-to-toe and is going to use her energy absorption as a distinct advantage.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:35 pm to Bamatab
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That's what DC wiki (actually innate luck), Comic Vine just said clairvoyance. Innate luck seems a bit much to me. So I think we should stick with clairvoyance.
Doesn't matter anymore:
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So if Shazam gets everything so does Marvel. She's then Binary-form which means Faster-than-Light Travel, unlimited energy absorption and pretty much a x10 on everything she does: strength, speed, durability, energy blast, etc.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 3:03 pm to Freauxzen
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to use her energy absorption as a distinct advantage.
again, this really isnt the case. Shazam does not just sling magical lightning. He cant even throw it. He has to summon it. There really wont be any energy being thrown around. It will be more of a fist fight than anything.
Shazam is probably one of my favorite characters due to his personality and background, but he would lose this fight. You can throw the "wisdom of solomon" out as much as you want. Doesnt mean he uses it nor knows how to use it. He retains his childhood naivety. Ms. Marvel is just too experienced in combat. Black Adam would be an entirely different scenario, but thats not the case.
I do find it funny that one of the final battles is (former) Captain Marvel vs Ms Marvel. sounds like a domestic abuse case.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 3:05 pm to illuminatic
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I don't think arguing physics in a super hero tournament is the best approach.
I know
Flash wins because F=ma (since he is the fast of them all the force of a punch would kill anyone and he could get to BB before the sound waves hit Flash)
Thor wins because he and Hulk are about the same strength and I believe calm warriors are better warriors
Superman wins because I don't see Firestorm having the abilities to win.
Shazam wins because once he realizes Ms.Marvel can absorb energy he just uses his strength.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 3:12 pm to BlacknGold
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again, this really isnt the case. Shazam does not just sling magical lightning. He cant even throw it. He has to summon it. There really wont be any energy being thrown around. It will be more of a fist fight than anything.
Fair enough. When looking around, All I see is Shazam constantly emitting energy. Also, Ms. Marvel MAY be able to draining constant and/or pulsing energy, if Shazam is "powered" by energy and doesn't necessarily "throw" it around, she may be able to drain it Rogue style.
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Shazam is probably one of my favorite characters due to his personality and background, but he would lose this fight. You can throw the "wisdom of solomon" out as much as you want. Doesnt mean he uses it nor knows how to use it. He retains his childhood naivety. Ms. Marvel is just too experienced in combat. Black Adam would be an entirely different scenario, but thats not the case.
Exactly.
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I do find it funny that one of the final battles is (former) Captain Marvel vs Ms Marvel. sounds like a domestic abuse case.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 3:12 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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Thor wins because he and Hulk are about the same strength and I believe calm warriors are better warriors
I know it isn't Planet Hulk, but:
He has more options, more powerful, he can take the fight to space where gravity isn't on Hulk's side. And he has the hammer.
Thor wins vs. Hulk.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 3:41 pm to Freauxzen
If Thor and Hulk go into space then Hulk takes hammer and smashes Thor. Zero gravity Mjolnir loophole. Hulk wins.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 3:53 pm to Freauxzen
Hulk and Thor have fought so many times at this point it's a coin toss
Posted on 4/9/14 at 3:53 pm to ZacAttack
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If Thor and Hulk go into space then Hulk takes hammer and smashes Thor. Zero gravity Mjolnir loophole. Hulk wins.
MM-meer doesn't care about Gravity, Hulk still can't move it, and actually needs gravity to move it the slight foot that he can. Hulk has no control over himself in space.
Advantage Thor.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 4:06 pm to BlacknGold
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Hulk and Thor have fought so many times at this point it's a coin toss
I thought someone posted earlier that Hulk has won 5 out of their 7 fights, is that not the case?
Posted on 4/9/14 at 4:13 pm to BlacknGold
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Hulk and Thor have fought so many times at this point it's a coin toss
It's a coin toss that Thor should win, he just matches up better in this format.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 4:13 pm to bigpetedatiga
Thor
Ms. Marvel
Flash
Superman
Ms. Marvel
Flash
Superman
Posted on 4/9/14 at 4:15 pm to Bamatab
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I thought someone posted earlier that Hulk has won 5 out of their 7 fights, is that not the case?
It isn't so black and white.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 4:17 pm to Freauxzen
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she may be able to drain it Rogue style.
I don't think she has ever done that in the comics, has she?
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You can throw the "wisdom of solomon" out as much as you want. Doesnt mean he uses it nor knows how to use it. He retains his childhood naivety
I guess I just don't know how his "wisdom" works. I mean, I get that he is naive. But if he is fully aware that this is a fight to the death, it's not like there is a whole lot to be naive about at that point. His "wisdom" will still be giving him tactical strategy. And it doesn't take much "wisdom" anyways to just pummel someone, which is all he would have to do since he is 2x as strong as she is.
I'm still going to have to go with him because I believe that all he has to do is get a hold of her and it's over. He is just too powerful for her IMO.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 4:21 pm to bigpetedatiga
in the end, it all comes down to Darkseid and Thanos.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 4:28 pm to Bamatab
Yeah he doesn't "emit" energy for her to absorb, so I don't think that's an option.
It could very well come down to a slugfest which is like hulk vs Thor. At this stage of the tournament it gets really tough. Usually either person can win. You just have to find the slight advantage. To me it's the fighting experience. It's why a smaller, smarter fighter almost always beats the stronger, dumber fighter.
I think black Adam beats her but not Shazam.
And as far as "full powers," if we want to open that can of worms, Shazam at one point inherits the wizards full spectrum of power and becomes unstoppable.
It could very well come down to a slugfest which is like hulk vs Thor. At this stage of the tournament it gets really tough. Usually either person can win. You just have to find the slight advantage. To me it's the fighting experience. It's why a smaller, smarter fighter almost always beats the stronger, dumber fighter.
I think black Adam beats her but not Shazam.
And as far as "full powers," if we want to open that can of worms, Shazam at one point inherits the wizards full spectrum of power and becomes unstoppable.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 4:45 pm to Freauxzen
This is supposed to be a bias-free tournament. I feel like there are some votes being given to support an idea that certain characters would win fights before they even started. I have a problem with this.
I also have a problem with what amounts to a number of characters having descriptions like
And why can't Ms. Marvel have access to Binary form? Because it's an "augmentation" that isn't really her? Get outta here. That's total and complete BS. It's in her DNA to be Binary, IIRC. I could be wrong.
TLDR; it's asinine to argue that certain characters have so much power to begin with that the fight is over before it starts.
I also have a problem with what amounts to a number of characters having descriptions like
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divine guidance
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has the power of the Gods
quote:all while having so many powers directly attributed to gods. But yet they aren't god-tier(read:overpowered) characters?
healing factor is also of a godly level
And why can't Ms. Marvel have access to Binary form? Because it's an "augmentation" that isn't really her? Get outta here. That's total and complete BS. It's in her DNA to be Binary, IIRC. I could be wrong.
TLDR; it's asinine to argue that certain characters have so much power to begin with that the fight is over before it starts.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 4:48 pm to stuckintexas
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it's asinine to argue that certain characters have so much power to begin with that the fight is over before it starts.
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